SmallTown
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Yeah, the ban might hopefully be irrelevant. if car companies are smart they'll make it EV only anyway
Will the ban on the sale of petrol/diesel cars happen in 7 years?
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Acklam_Lad
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It already has…
VW group have confirmed that 2023 petrol/diesel new releases will be the last to be designed… all focus will be electric from now on out apart from the odd mid life face lift. They will be all electric by 2030
Volvo have confirmed they are not designing any more combustion engine cars.
BMW have a couple of updates and facelifts int he pipeline but other than that they are done
Stellantis Group (I think it’s the biggest in the world now) again have a few face lifts left but other than that all new models will be electric.
Toyota are committed to 2030 but are slightly behind. That being said they have plans to get back on track
Hyundai and Kia are well on the way
Even JLR and Merc are looking likely to be ready before the 2030 deadline.
MolteniArcore
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There is a couple of Leafs on auto trader under £5k but the range isn't great. One is only 100 miles per charge but if you are only nipping around town or keeping local it would be ideal. Could probably charge it up every week at the shops too.
MolteniArcore
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I thought this might be the case. They need to plan for 2030 and need to be ready - no good if in 2028 it gets pushed down the line, it will take years to make sure they are geared up for EV only production. I never even thought about the design aspect - it must cost a fortune to design / test new cars. They won't want to be wasting this resource on cars they can't produce in 7 years time.
SmallTown
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100k isn't great, but given the average journey is 5 miles it should do most people. But yeah, it's best to wait for the used market to flesh out a bit
SmallTown
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This is good news!
Across the pond it's a lot slower but, the worlds best selling vehicle the ford F-150 now has an electric version so that's a good sign
I think the nervousness is always the quality of the second hand market. I have no idea how good a second or third hand leaf will perform. A second hand leaf is on my radar for a replacement to my wifes car as it only does the work run and local travel but at the moment cost and value for money are still driving factors in decisions for most people.
MolteniArcore
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There was one for £3k in Stockton with 100,000 miles on it but it only did 40 miles per charge. BUT if all you do in it is go to the shops or commute to your job 10 miles up the road and can charge at home it's a pretty good deal. You might need another car in the household but it will do a job for someone at a VERY reasonable cost.
SmallTown
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Same as any second hand car really
The only difference is we haven't got years of data/ info regarding leaf battery performance and there is a nervousness with this for me.
I appreciate your advocacy for electric, and I'm on board with it in principle but I live in a very different financial world to your market I think.
SmallTown
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No I get it, and currently the only real option in the 2nd hand market IS the leaf. Or the zoe if you want a pure city car. This will change now new EV sales have increased so much
Boro_Interlinked
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Well why is the National Grid talking about 2035, when everywhere else on the web about UK cars says 2030. If the National Grid can't keep up with policy detail then I can't expect its going to actually keep up with real world requirementsThe sun? As always.
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Vehicle to grid needs to kick off though and load balancing of the grid. That'll be a hard sell it's hard enough getting people to understand the importance of EV
Cardiffdaffs
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When I changed my car recently I quickly did away with idea of an EV purely on the fact that chargers near me are either always occupied or non existent conveniently. Living in London my driving is mostly long distant. I don’t need local travel by car as ai have tubes and buses and good old walking. I’ll reassess in 4 years.
xxlshirts_fit_all
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Tesla just knocked 7k off their cars… they’re ramping up production…
more company cars are switching to electric, although my collegue swapped his bmwi4 back to petrol as he couldn’t handle the range anxiety…
as more company cars switch, they will fill the future used car market after their leases are up…
infrastructure is increasing..
I don’t think we will meet targets within 7 years but they are pushing it…
more company cars are switching to electric, although my collegue swapped his bmwi4 back to petrol as he couldn’t handle the range anxiety…
as more company cars switch, they will fill the future used car market after their leases are up…
infrastructure is increasing..
I don’t think we will meet targets within 7 years but they are pushing it…
SmallTown
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Hybrids I guess. Please don't tell me you know more about refuelling EV than the national grid?
SmallTown
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That's a shame you were so quick to dismiss. Living in London is the one place where you almost have to have an EV. The south east is, as usual, better served for infrastructure than the rest of the country
SmallTown
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That is tragic. Selling a car because of a fake construct invented by General Motors. Simple truth is if we weren't all told to have range anxiety nobody would. How long did he have the car for? Surely he pretty quickly worked out it wasn't a thing
Norman_Conquest
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And this is exactly how it will happen - It will be the manufacturers who will phase out ICE vehicles but fuel for these vehicles will still be readily available on the forecourt, except it will be the petrol pump stuck in a corner instead of the EV charger.
Going electric can only be good for the environment but many of us due to financial burdens will be slow to convert. I am sure we will see something similar to when cars were first introduced, people still used horse and carts, and so, people will still use ICE vehicles until fuel is no longer available or is banned altogether.
Many towns and cities across Europe have started banning vehicles from the centres or putting a large levy on them to enter. In France, they have the Crit Air anti air pollution badge that vehicles entering the capitla and other towns and cities need to display.
The Crit’Air anti-pollution vehicle sticker
Information about the Crit’Air anti-pollution vehicle sticker and how to order it from the UK before you travel to France
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changingman
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Our approach to purchasing cars (buy cheap second hand and run into the ground) seems timebound at best given the upcoming legislative changes. Next car will probably be electric as result.
Primarily cross-city trips and the odd longer (c 2 hour) trip home. Anything it can't cope with or becomes unpractical will be picked up by the train I guess.
Primarily cross-city trips and the odd longer (c 2 hour) trip home. Anything it can't cope with or becomes unpractical will be picked up by the train I guess.
