Do you ever feel guilt when eating meat?

Randy said:
That wasn't part of the question in the OP was it Wilko?
Good try though.
The question was do you feel guilty about eating meat? My answer is no.

Let's not go down the road of commercial vegetarian and vegan option food farms.

I've heard lab grown meat mentioned a few times in here. What exactly is in it?
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I'm not sure really, but a lot of people's guilt around meat is about the conditions the animals are raised in. Purely from the point of view of guilt about eating an animal then i take your point
 
chickenrunner said:
Do I feel guilty when I eat meat? No. I respect those who, for whatever reason, don't consume meat but I won't be joining them.

When I see animals in the fields, even cutesy little lambs, I understand what they're there for. These aren't wild animals we have confined for our consumption they're domesticated breeds developed over thousands of years by man for one purpose alone. If no one ate meat the lambs wouldn't be free to gamble over the fields without the the fear of slaughter they'd simply cease to exist along with all the cattle and all the pigs.
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Correct, but I don't think the current mass slaughter is justified by the fact that some people like to look at lambs and cows in the field before they are transported to have a bolt through their head, or gassed in the case of pigs.
chickenrunner said:
Then what of the landscape and environment? I'd venture that most of the land in this picture is used for pastoral farming. What's going to become of it and the wild animals, birds and insects that rely on it in its current state? I'm not suggesting that a meat free world is inherently bad and the status quo good but moving to a world with no meat consumption would require some seriously joined up thinking to avoid unintended outcomes.
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Without being facetious, I think the wild flora and fauna would revert to how it thrived before man changed the environment; which is just fine. You also have a small amount of the moors in your photo. Without the game keepers killing the raptors (80% of raptor killing is within grouse/pheasant shooting areas according to the RSPB), you would find that the environment would be more interesting.
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wilkos_perm said:
I'm not sure really, but a lot of people's guilt around meat is about the conditions the animals are raised in. Purely from the point of view of guilt about eating an animal then i take your point
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Do those same people share the same guilt about the trainers they wear from well known brands or clothes they wear on their backs?
 
I always find it mad where you get people who are selective on the meat they eat as almost vegatarian, like those that wont eat beef but will eat chicken.

now im a fat fk and have no issue eating meat (apart from managing my chloresterol lol)

but when someone wont eat coz not fair to animals but fish or chicken is fair game I just think, well how many people feed off one cow for example, yet you rather eat a fish that one life per portion (if its a decent sized fish) or a chicken for one life per small family.
makes no sense to me lol
 
I have contemplated it in the past. These days there are a lot of substitutes that simulate meat, and that's not also forgetting all the vegetables which are grown by mother nature.

I can't deny though that I do enjoy meat and would find it difficult to be disciplined enough to never eat meat again.
 
I don't feel guilty but do make a conscious effort to buy the highest welfare meat that I can afford - free range chicken, grass fed beef, outdoor bred pork etc. We'd rather have a smaller portion of high quality meat than more of the mass produced stuff.

Also try and have a couple of meat free meals a week but more for health reasons than feeling guilt.
 
FatFrank said:
Never - complete circle of life.

The vegan and vegetarian narrative that the body is better without meat just simply isn't true and there are endless journals, case studies and papers to support this.
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There are endlless journals, case studies and papers to the contrary too.

Fair play to those few people who inserted ‘animals’ instead of meat - lets call it what it is.

Some silly things - ‘we are programmed to eat meat’…..‘it’s the order of the natural world’ ………are just lazy tropes
’Strong as an Ox‘ - Oxen are plant based.
Proves nothing by the way (except it works for Oxen and the natural world isn’t all about eating meat)

More importantly - each to their own and lets respect the choices people make.
 
FatFrank said:
Never - complete circle of life.

The vegan and vegetarian narrative that the body is better without meat just simply isn't true and there are endless journals, case studies and papers to support this.
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Really? The consensus is that a vegan lifestyle is the most healthy. There will always be diet-deniers, but eventually the obvious will be proven. I’m not proselytising (honestly), but to suggest that eating meat is healthy is complete b0llo0cks.
 
sherlock1969 said:
I don't feel guilty but do make a conscious effort to buy the highest welfare meat that I can afford - free range chicken, grass fed beef, outdoor bred pork etc. We'd rather have a smaller portion of high quality meat than more of the mass produced stuff.

Also try and have a couple of meat free meals a week but more for health reasons than feeling guilt.
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Good luck finding free range chicken in this country at the moment. 🫣
 
Eating meat as a concept and the meat producing industry don't necessarily have to be the same thing, but most people can't unlink it, understandably, when you see and hear of some of the practices. Most people won't ever see the animals on a farm either. They haven't experienced the food chain beyond the shop.

Like anything readily available and cheap compared to how it was for our ancestors... Someone or something is getting shafted for us to have it. Food, clothes, consumer goods. All of these things can cause guilt about labour abuse, welfare standards and ethics, unfortunately.
 
Randy said:
Do those same people share the same guilt about the trainers they wear from well known brands or clothes they wear on their backs?
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I don’t really, I don’t know what has died to make my trainers exactly (I don’t wear leather shoes, not out of principle but because I just don’t really dress like that), but I don’t buy or consume 3 pairs of trainers a day either.

I’m pretty moderate on this stuff, I didn’t give up meat to save the world or to make it look like I was. I just gave it up for a bit and didn’t miss it, so carried on. At the very roots of why I decided to try it was that I felt some level of guilt. I don’t feel that about my trainers, I’m not saying that’s a flawless argument or whatever, I don’t really care either way. I certainly don’t go round telling people to feel guilty and I wouldn’t expect them to listen to me if I did.
 
Randy said:
Nope.
I understand vegetarians and vegans way of thinking.
But no don't feel guilty, it's just the natural order of things isn't it? I bet a bear doesn't feel guilty when it kills and eats a hunter in Alaska for example?
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No, you don't understand.
A bear can't think about it.. it acts purely on its instincts and has no capacity for guilt. Humans can think and their thinking capacity is designed to transcend their gross instincts, otherwise we are just talking apes. Vegetarianism is quite an self-evolved human trait.. look at the spiritual traditions.. using the capacity for reflective thought to end suffering. It's quite logical.
 
Bristolboro said:
No, you don't understand.
A bear can't think about it.. it acts purely on its instincts and has no capacity for guilt. Humans can think and their thinking capacity is designed to transcend their gross instincts, otherwise we are just talking apes. Vegetarianism is quite a self-evolved human trait.. look at the spiritual traditions.. using the capacity for reflective thought to end suffering. It's quite logical.
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This is the kind of guff that makes people dislike vegans and vegetarians. Gross instincts? Self evolved? Spiritual traditions?
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
This is the kind of guff that makes people dislike vegans and vegetarians. Gross instincts? Self evolved? Spiritual traditions?
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you seem a bit chippy about it tbh. Don’t let it bother you. Some people eat meat, some people don’t. It’s not a big deal, you don’t need to start disliking entire cohorts of people because you disagree with a particular opinion of perspective.
 
atypical_boro said:
you seem a bit chippy about it tbh. Don’t let it bother you. Some people eat meat, some people don’t. It’s not a big deal, you don’t need to start disliking entire cohorts of people because you disagree with a particular opinion of perspective.
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Are you high? That's not even remotely what I said 😂

Any more straw men 😂
 
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