Supreme Court ruling on Scot ref - Scottish govt does NOT have right to hold another referendum

Okay but the independence campaigns in places like Yorkshire and Cornwall are tiny. That's the difference. And it does make Scotland at least partly unqiue from the rest of the UK. Nowhere else in the UK is there an independence party getting the kinds of numbers Indeedido's quoting (even though he makes them sound small fry...)



Mebyon Kernow, the Cornish independence party, stood 1 candidate in 2019. They got 1,660 votes. 3% of the vote in their constituency.
Voting for SNP doesn't mean you want independence. If I had the option of voting for a party that wasn't Tory and specifically prioritised the region I live in then I would. Labour might be better than the Tories but for Scottish people Labour still won't prioritise them like the SNP do. If they dropped the N and were just called the Scottish Party then I'd wager they'd still be doing just as well. Scotland are a huge voice in Westminster now and they make sure Scottish issues are always highlighted. They are way more effective than the Welsh and Northern Irish equivalents. Many people will vote SNP despite wanting to be part of the UK and there will be many Scottish Tory voters that would like Independence.
 
If I had the option of voting for a party that wasn't Tory and specifically prioritised the region I live in then I would. Labour might be better than the Tories but for Scottish people Labour still won't prioritise them like the SNP do. If they dropped the N and were just called the Scottish Party then I'd wager they'd still be doing just as well.

Again though, why don't we see the same elsewhere if that's all it is? The Yorkshire Party averaged about 2% of votes in the seats they stood in, in 2019. They're a non tory party, prioritising a region, and without an independence policy.

Like it or not, the independence situation in Scotland is unique for the UK.
 
Again though, why don't we see the same elsewhere if that's all it is? The Yorkshire Party averaged about 2% of votes in the seats they stood in, in 2019. They're a non tory party, prioritising a region, and without an independence policy.

Like it or not, the independence situation in Scotland is unique for the UK.
No it’s not

Look at Plaid Cymru
 
No it’s not

Look at Plaid Cymru

What about them? They won 4 seats out of 30 odd they contested in 2019. They've got 12 out of 60 seats in the Senedd. They're nowhere near the dominance SNP have had in Scotland since 2015.

Plaid are much more focused on things like Welsh language preservation than independence as well. I don't think it's correct to say they're actively pursuing an independence policy yet.
 
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Since 2015 is the key but before then they were on the same level.

Only difference is plaid don’t have a Hollywood film full of lies to back them up.

Do you think it's possibly a bit insulting and patronising to boil down what ~45% of people in Scotland have been voting for, for the past 10 years or so, as all just being an overreaction to a film?

As I said yesterday, lots of countries have decided they want independence from British rule over the last few centuries. It's not so unusual is it? Whys it so hard to believe they'd genuinely just prefer to be an independent nation? What film are you saying sparked the Easter rising in Ireland?
 
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Do you think it's possibly a bit insulting and patronising to boil down what ~45% of people in Scotland have been voting for, for the past 10 years or so, as all just being an overreaction to a film?
Not when there is academic evidence to show that brave heart did have a huge boost to snp support.

 
1992 - SNP get 629k votes.
1995 - Braveheart film comes out.
1997 - SNP get 621k votes.
2001 - SNP get 464k votes.

:unsure: doesn't quite fit the theory does it? The big jump comes in 2015. That the DVD release or something?
 
Many of their voters aren’t voting for them for independence they won a hell of a lot of their votes by lying to the electorate uo their with false promises of freebies and the majority they haven’t delivered.
 
You can’t dismiss how the myth that the film created ie its all the English fault fuelled the independence movement.


I am dismissing that. It's an interview with the guy that wrote the screenplay, and all it says is a pollster has referred to under 30s as "the braveheart generation". Sorry Jedi, "academic evidence" it ain't.
 
Many of their voters aren’t voting for them for independence they won a hell of a lot of their votes by lying to the electorate uo their with false promises of freebies and the majority they haven’t delivered.

I think this is grasping at straws. They got 45% in the actual 2014 referendum, the SNP seem to get ~45% in many elections since, I think it's fair to say their voters are broadly supportive of independence.
 
Brave heart had a huge impact on Scottish independence you can deny it all you want it doesn’t stop it being true.

So how come it didn't increase SNP voting figures for 20 years after?

This isn't even a causation v correlation thing. There's no pattern to point to that supports it.
 
Whilst I don't want to see the breakup of the union I can't really see a reason for not granting the scottish people the right to determine their own future.

On the subject of the movie Braveheart... Really Jedi? I guess you could make the argument that it helped to drive devolution, but a movie that took 20 years to have any effect on the scottish electorate. It's pure fantasy.
 
I think this is grasping at straws. They got 45% in the actual 2014 referendum, the SNP seem to get ~45% in many elections since, I think it's fair to say their voters are broadly supportive of independence.
Not from the comments I was reading regarding that court decision, many were saying exactly that. I also work very closely with a Scottish company that has about 60 staff across the central belt and another 20 or so up around Aberdeen, the general consensus from them is anger that shes hijacked the Scottish flag to be used for division and hate to the point many don’t want to wave it for Football or rugby matches anymore as they don’t want to be associated with them and they also call Sturgeon the poison dwarf.
 
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