Forss

MickaelDebevePhenomenal said:
It was exactly the same as the Ronaldo one at the riverside, which was given against Schwarzer, which i think we were all fuming with at the time! Expects contact so dives, keeper doesn't initiate contact so no foul
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It wasn't exactly the same as Ronaldo's, not even close.

Looking back on Ronaldo's I think Schwarzer forced him to chop the ball back and Ronaldo stumbled a bit, lost his balance so threw himself to the ground. Last night the big difference was that their keeper was travelling at pace towards Forss, Schwarzer wasn't travelling directly at Ronaldo.

Semantics though, it wasn't a penna, but if Forss had been braver and left a foot there, there would have been contact and a pen
 
Wrt the penalty, should it be a foul if the only reason there is no contact is the player attacking is quick enough to get out the way? Ideally I think yes but so much room for interpretation by the rdf that it's a can of worms.
 
The recruitment team gets absolute pelters on here sometimes but I always had a feeling Forss was a very good player.
Brentford fans love him and he had a fantastic loan Spell at Wimbeldon, this is a lad who scored the goal that got his team to the play off final.
His work rate is tireless; he presses so well and I just can't fathom why Wilder called him developmental, when Wilderball was good he'd have been the ideal pressing forward.
Fantastic assist for the first goal and he deserved his goal. Him and Chuba look excellent together. I remember saying in the long run having a permanent signing of a young player would do us nothing but good. Long may it continue.
UTFB
 
Rofesleg said:
Off topic but I am genuinely interested. Why did you call it a rule and then put the correct term in brackets for pedants?

Why not just call it a law in the first place?

Was it so that pedants would realise that you do in fact know the correct term but have dumbed it down for everyone else?
That way you keep the pedants happy without excluding the non-pedants.
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Nothing as complex as that. I suppose I was just getting a little dig in at the pedants who like to correct people on here, and it happens fairly often, when discussing the "laws" but make the supposed crime of referring to them as rules. As if it makes any difference whatsoever.
 
Excellent performance last night, incredible energy, some neat touches and good awareness. Think he needs to work on his decision making in the final third though - few times when he's only looking for the shot and other players in better positions.

Clear dive for the pen by the way - absolutely love it. We need every advantage we can get (until we get promoted and VAR spoils the fun) :)
 
There is the possibility that something has clicked with Forss and it has shown up in training so now gets picked and shows what he is capable of in matches.

A new manager coming in must be a boost for players not in 1st team and if they have pride will be determined to create a good first impression. Also when we signed Forss, a fair few messages that I read from Brentford fans expressed that they thought he would get goals for us, but he wouldnt get involved much in the build up play.

If this is what Wilder was seeing in training then that could explain his omission from team.

What I do hope for is that both he and Akpom can contginue both the work rate and form they have shown us over recent weeks and we could still yet have a good season.
 
Alexander Supertramp said:
23 year old striker with nearly 100 career appearances at Championship level or above, plus 15 international caps.

Was an insult that wilder continually referred to him as a “development” player
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agreed. It's not even like he plays for a minnow nation either, Finland are a half decent Nations League B side. He got 12 goals, then 10 goals then 8 goals in his thee seasons in english football. I'll back him to get double figures this season
 
We're now seeing that he's a good player at this level. I'd always thought he must have something about him to have made as many appearances as he did for Brentford during their promotion season.

He didn't score many goals that season, and I suspect he won't score many here either, but it's what he gives to the team that's important. He will rival Watmore for work ethic, with his running off the ball.
 
Hap said:
It's a subjective one. The keeper didn't make contact so it's not a pen.

He did get out of the keepers way and had he not done that it would 've been a pen.

But no contact, no pen. If the tables were turned youd rightly be unhappy.
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Incorrect
 
Alexander Supertramp said:
23 year old striker with nearly 100 career appearances at Championship level or above, plus 15 international caps.

Was an insult that wilder continually referred to him as a “development” player
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Has he actually referred to Forss as such though?

I know he definitely did with Hoppe, but I cant recall him saying the same about Forss?

The lad has over 100 games and over a dozen international caps at 23 years old. I get that he's a player that can be improved, given his age, but then that applies to all players, more or less. But I've never seen him as a player that was bought to predominately play in the U23's to make him first team ready.

I think Wilder was resistant to playing him because he didn't get his own way with other players signing.
 
I've been thinking about the penalty.

There is a contradiction here. If the keeper challenges a striker and in doing so forces the striker to hurdle him (no contact), breaking his stride and losing the ball, he has prevented the striker from shooting, no penalty; yet if the striker "dangles his foot" there is contact, and a penalty is often given. The keeper has behaved in exactly the same way but in one scenario he is punished in the other he is not? Yet in both scenarios he has prevented a shot/attempt on goal.

I don't think I'd like to be a referee. 🤯

Oh and so pleased that The Forss is with us.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Has he actually referred to Forss as such though?

I know he definitely did with Hoppe, but I cant recall him saying the same about Forss?

The lad has over 100 games and over a dozen international caps at 23 years old. I get that he's a player that can be improved, given his age, but then that applies to all players, more or less. But I've never seen him as a player that was bought to predominately play in the U23's to make him first team ready.

I think Wilder was resistant to playing him because he didn't get his own way with other players signing.
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Pretty sure Wilder referred to development "players" rather than "player".

Definitely spat his dummy out with Forss because he wanted Gayle/McGoldrick. Great judge of striker Wilder isn't he....... 😂😂
 
However he described him it's safe to say that Wilders reputation has suffered some serious damage, not just whilst he was in charge but more so since we got rid.

Players such as Hackney and Forss deemed not good enough have shown him up as being a spoilt brat who has clearly sulked for not getting his own way.

He's commited professional suicide by leaving them out.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Has he actually referred to Forss as such though?

I know he definitely did with Hoppe, but I cant recall him saying the same about Forss?

The lad has over 100 games and over a dozen international caps at 23 years old. I get that he's a player that can be improved, given his age, but then that applies to all players, more or less. But I've never seen him as a player that was bought to predominately play in the U23's to make him first team ready.

I think Wilder was resistant to playing him because he didn't get his own way with other players signing.
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I think it was Hoppe he described as a development player, as in this quote when talking about Akpom:

“He’s an important player for us now," Wilder admitted. "If you look at our options, we have a couple of young players there in [Marcus] Forss and [Matthew] Hoppe - Hoppe more from a developmental point of view as we all understand. Duncan [Watmore] has been part of the group and then we’ve got Rodrigo [Muniz] who is just 21."


Wilder was actually very complimentary about Forss when he signed and said some sensible things regarding loan players v signings:

"Marcus is a boy we’ve known for a long time. A lot of the talk has been about loans or whether we would purchase and develop our own. The numbers we have been quoted have been quite staggering at times. We can develop him, he’s got an attitude to improve and learn, and he fits the criteria we want from a centre forward. I believe he can finish. He wants to get into the positions we want him to get into, he wants to press and he wants to run - all things we look at.
He’s a young kid. Is he going to come in and score 20-25 goals straight off? I’d be absolutely delighted if he does but let’s not put too much pressure on him. He’s here for the long-term and he’s one of our own. Hopefully he builds into one of those strikers so when somebody comes asking for one of ours, I can quote them a ridiculous price like I have been quoted for people I don’t believe are worth it."


Then it all went so very wrong.
 
Rofesleg said:
I think it was Hoppe he described as a development player, as in this quote when talking about Akpom:

“He’s an important player for us now," Wilder admitted. "If you look at our options, we have a couple of young players there in [Marcus] Forss and [Matthew] Hoppe - Hoppe more from a developmental point of view as we all understand. Duncan [Watmore] has been part of the group and then we’ve got Rodrigo [Muniz] who is just 21."


Wilder was actually very complimentary about Forss when he signed and said some sensible things regarding loan players v signings:

"Marcus is a boy we’ve known for a long time. A lot of the talk has been about loans or whether we would purchase and develop our own. The numbers we have been quoted have been quite staggering at times. We can develop him, he’s got an attitude to improve and learn, and he fits the criteria we want from a centre forward. I believe he can finish. He wants to get into the positions we want him to get into, he wants to press and he wants to run - all things we look at.
He’s a young kid. Is he going to come in and score 20-25 goals straight off? I’d be absolutely delighted if he does but let’s not put too much pressure on him. He’s here for the long-term and he’s one of our own. Hopefully he builds into one of those strikers so when somebody comes asking for one of ours, I can quote them a ridiculous price like I have been quoted for people I don’t believe are worth it."


Then it all went so very wrong.
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He described Forss as developmental in other interviews. Towards the end of his tenure he definetly used them words
 
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