Gibson is a big part of the problem

BobendBert

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Hate saying this but bear with me.

First off I love Gibbo and respect everything he’s done. Forever grateful for him saving the club.

But you’ve got to be honest. We’ve been treading water now since McClaren went. Yes we had a great period under Karanka but that was an exception.

Our recruitment has been diabolical. Crap signings on the pitch and we keep getting managerial appointments wrong. Year after year. You can’t build a successful club when you’re changing manager every season.

I was gutted to see Wilder go because of what might have been. Something has obviously gone on recently but he started off brilliantly and finally it looked like we had got it right only for it to unravel.

That smells to me like bigger problems. There’s a fee problem within our set up. Might be incompetent people or a structure that causes conflict or confusion or or could be both.

Anyway Gibbo is responsible for that and his decisions have been crap for years now.
 
Might be to blame for something and he has got a lot wrong, but he always puts his had deep in to his pocket and backs his decision when he is able to.

He Sticks around good or bad, unlike many others. I.e Mel Morris. He is paying for these mistakes and he and his team are doing what they think best for the clubs long term future.
 
Steve Gibson funds the operations of the club.
He makes good the losses.
He spends as much as he can to improve the squad.
He recruits managers that most people think (on the day they sign) are good.
Of course he hasn't got everything right but I don't see why people blame him for the dreadful performance of managers like Wilder, Warnock, and Pulis.
If there's someone else with £25 million to fund the club each season, then organise a meeting asap.

Anyone who thinks Steve Gibson is the problem is going to get an awful shock when he quits.
 
Gibson is part of the problem, but he's making mistakes trying to do the best for Boro. Reckon he's screwing things up on purpose? No.

Football - especially finances - is tough across the board for all clubs bar the state/billionaire backed PL Sky favourites. We are no different, but we are lucky that financially we are well run and stable.

Certainly since Karanka the managerial appointments have been a mixed bag......but why some haven't worked out 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️.

We are looking at a new recruitment model, possibly based on Brentford's which is great if all parties are buying into it. Fairly obvious Wilder wasn't, time may tell as to why. Bit petty how Forss and Hoppe were treated, hopefully they will both be given a chance.

We move on. Again. The next appointment is critical. Again. Do I have hope we are going to get the appointment right? No.

Think it would be easier if the fans understood what the club was trying to do, but currently it's a right mish mash. The link between Recruitment, management, U-23s looks bollox - need this sorting so at least the fans can see where the club is going.

Let's see
 
I don't doubt Gibson has made mistakes over his tenure, everyone does but we can't forget the financial commitment and support he has given us without him goodness knows where we would be.
I for one am pleased he is our owner don't under estimate what we had done for us.
C'mon Boro
 
Steve Gibson funds the operations of the club.
He makes good the losses.
He spends as much as he can to improve the squad.
He recruits managers that most people think (on the day they sign) are good.
Of course he hasn't got everything right but I don't see why people blame him for the dreadful performance of managers like Wilder, Warnock, and Pulis.
If there's someone else with £25 million to fund the club each season, then organise a meeting asap.

Anyone who thinks Steve Gibson is the problem is going to get an awful shock when he quits.
Gibberish man.
He doesn't put anything like that in.
Facts in the public domain.
He paid S&N, ICI and Moskowitz the money they originally stumped up to save the club c £800k.
He has injected £63m in additional equity, so £64m in total across 29 years.
His Group has loaned the Club c£121m that is due within a year, if he choose to call it.

If he quits, the club goes into Admin, he loses a lot of money, but could start again under new owners from League One who might actually have a clue how to run a club.
They might be terrible owners, that's true. But they might not.
We are arguably on course for League One as it is.
 
Financially we are well run and stable - utter utter rubbish. We are far away from this. Checked on the club debt recently?
So are we about to do a Derby? No. We are not in financial difficulties. We can buy players. We can prove compliance with FFP.

You saying we are on the edge of financial ruin? 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Steve Gibson funds the operations of the club.
He makes good the losses.
He spends as much as he can to improve the squad.
He recruits managers that most people think (on the day they sign) are good.
Of course he hasn't got everything right but I don't see why people blame him for the dreadful performance of managers like Wilder, Warnock, and Pulis.
If there's someone else with £25 million to fund the club each season, then organise a meeting asap.

Anyone who thinks Steve Gibson is the problem is going to get an awful shock when he quits.
He doesn’t just fund the losses he creates the losses then has to throw money at it so the club doesn’t go under.

Thankfully the club owes him so much money from his **** ups over the years it won’t ever be viable for anyone else to buy the club so we won’t have to worry about that
 
So are we about to do a Derby? No. We are not in financial difficulties. We can buy players. We can prove compliance with FFP.

You saying we are on the edge of financial ruin? 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
If Gibson didn’t keep pumping money in to cover his losses then yes we probably would be. It’s not a sustainable way to run a club
 
Might be to blame for something and he has got a lot wrong, but he always puts his had deep in to his pocket and backs his decision when he is able to.

He Sticks around good or bad, unlike many others. I.e Mel Morris. He is paying for these mistakes and he and his team are doing what they think best for the clubs long term future.
I respect your view but I can never understand being compared to Mel Morris he is just another bad example. Obviously Gibson is not as bad as him but he has make poor decisions which are costing us, managers shouldn't be held responsible every time he cocks up.
 
[QUOTE="indeedido, post: 878664, member:
He has injected £63m in additional equity, so £64m in total across 29 years.
His Group has loaned the Club c£121m that is due within a year, if he choose to call it.
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So just under the £200m mark then… and here is me thinking he was digging deep. Feel foolish now
 
If Gibson didn’t keep pumping money in to cover his losses then yes we probably would be. It’s not a sustainable way to run a club
Football is not a sustainable business unless you are in the PL. We are not the only club in this boat I'll bet.

Absolutely 100% if Gibson had enough, pulled the plug and wanted his loans repaid we are f*cked
 
I tend to agree with the OP. Its great to have a local guy like Gibbo owning the club and he has given a great deal. But he has also made some disastrous decisions that have put us where we are. I feel as though we are never going to climb out of the Champo with Gibson in charge. It is particularly galling when I see smaller clubs get promoted and stay up. How come clubs like Brighton and Brentford can do it and we cant?
 
I tend to agree with the OP. Its great to have a local guy like Gibbo owning the club and he has given a great deal. But he has also made some disastrous decisions that have put us where we are. I feel as though we are never going to climb out of the Champo with Gibson in charge. It is particularly galling when I see smaller clubs get promoted and stay up. How come clubs like Brighton and Brentford can do it and we cant?
Southampton, Watford, Burnley, Norwich, Forest, Fulham, Leeds, Palace, Wolves all also overtaken us in the last decade too. No reason we shouldn’t be among them
 
[QUOTE="indeedido, post: 878664, member:
He has injected £63m in additional equity, so £64m in total across 29 years.
His Group has loaned the Club c£121m that is due within a year, if he choose to call it.

So just under the £200m mark then… and here is me thinking he was digging deep. Feel foolish now
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He has put in £64m in 29 years. £2.2m per season.

He has guaranteed the £121m, but it is a loan, that doesn't nearly cover the losses he has made.
IF he writes off the £121m, THEN he would have put in £185m across 29 years. £6.4m per season.
He hasn't done that.
If he does then the club is saleable.
 
Its just the cycle of football. Who are you comparing Gibson to and over what timescale? Of course the majority of his decisions have not paid off on the pitch but which chairmen at which club have made consistently good decisions over a 30 odd year stint. His appointment of a DoF is probably acknowledgement that decisions need to be better. Ppeople will slag off Scott, but its his first time in the role. He will learn from experience and improve. If he was pivotal in choosing Wilder I think from a football point of view he made a good choice. Where he got it wrong was understanding the ego that Wilder had and the character of the man. Whilst I dont think I am a 100% ra-ra, I always try to see it from a forgiving angle. If Burnley hadn’t sacked Dyche who knows what would have happened last season? We may have capitulated anyway but at the same time we might have got stronger. It literally is the mad world of football though. It is frustrating that we wanted Gyorkeres and ended up with Forss and Hoppe but thats where we are. Making Forss or Hoppe into the next Gyorkeres Is the club we are now. Wilder didn’t want to or couldn’t do that so we try to find someone who will. The chances are that the next guy will fail too. Unless we are really lucky. And failure is relative. To some it will be not getting promoted, to others not getting to the play offs to me it will be relegation. Its just footy.
 
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