Removing statues is it right or wrong

RandySavage said:
News reports saying Black lives matter protesters dragged the statue in Bristol down. Looking at the video not one black person involved in it. Purely an excuse for mindless vandalism, those white early 20 something's I can guarantee don't give a toss about a slave trader from 500 years ago.

What's next? Folk dragging down the statue of Churchill?
Click to expand...

You don't have to be black to be angry about how black people are being treat.
 
RandySavage said:
News reports saying Black lives matter protesters dragged the statue in Bristol down. Looking at the video not one black person involved in it. Purely an excuse for mindless vandalism, those white early 20 something's I can guarantee don't give a toss about a slave trader from 500 years ago.

What's next? Folk dragging down the statue of Churchill?
Click to expand...

You don't have to be black to be a BLM protestor. In fact it has been stated many times these last few days that black people alone cannot end racism, it's all our problem.
 
Muttley said:
Firstly, you are wrong there were "people of colour" in the video I saw (there are quite a few doing the rounds on Twitter)

Secondly, if there were no "people of colour" involved I would say that was a good thing. Racism is not just saying rude words to people who are different to you, it is also inaction in the face of prejudice and intolerance.
Click to expand...
What were those "people of colour" doing in the video Muttley?
I think I know something about racism - all but 10% of my peers were either descendants of Black Caribbean parents or East African Asians, expelled from Uganda and Kenya.
I could never understand exactly how racism felt to them, but I was equally preyed upon by racists and verbally and physically abused by them, simply by association with the colour of my friends skin.
I was eight years old when some teenage racist called me a N****** Lover because my best mate was black.
In later years, I and my peers decided we werent going to take any more sh** from those racists dressed in suits and waving the union flag.
In those days, the likes of Martin Webster and John Tyndall were photographed, in private, wearing Nazi insignia, which left them with a hardcore of thugs and flotsam and jetsam.
If you dont understand their relevance to my reply I suggest you google their names.
As a youngster, the fight against racism and racial profiling began when the black youth of Brixton, Lewisham and Streatham stopped the NF from marching. The Asians did the same in Southall.
The SUS Laws were an open door to institutional racism and gave any racist in uniform the right to stop black people on grounds of "suspicion of committing an unlawful offence".
You are right Muttley: "Racism is not just saying rude words to people who are different to you, it is also inaction in the face of prejudice and intolerance." Racism is violence.
Its a middle class idea that you can "educate" a racist not to be a racist.
The only way to combat racism is to deny them a platform.
I find it abhorent when people talk about "love" and "peace" as if a kiss and a handshake will dispell all ill feelings and centuries of oppression and denial.

If something is worth fighting for - you must never give up fighting. Like you said Muttley, "inaction" is being complicit with the racists themselves.
The example of Cable Street - "They Shall Not Pass" provides a candle to all those fighting injustice and prejudice.
 
zorro_mfc said:
No not at all the song is penny lane named after a street in Liverpool named penny lane name after this man ...

Penny Lane was named after 18th-century slave trader James Penny. As with many of the era's industrialists, Penny became wealthy through the international slave trade, for which the port city served as an important stopover between the African continent and America.
Click to expand...
You do come out with some schite!
 
1finny said:
Roofie - may have misled you. I’m not justifying it one jot. I was commenting on the stupidity of trying to justify it at all - let alone with a ‘what about a few blacks or others who had slaves’ - it stinks to me. Whataboutery at its worse
Click to expand...
Just interested Finny when people quote figures - maybe its life e3xperience, but I like to consider "facts" as far as I can.
Apologies to you if I misconceived your motive and intent.
 
RandySavage said:
News reports saying Black lives matter protesters dragged the statue in Bristol down. Looking at the video not one black person involved in it. Purely an excuse for mindless vandalism, those white early 20 something's I can guarantee don't give a toss about a slave trader from 500 years ago.

What's next? Folk dragging down the statue of Churchill?
Click to expand...
Can't believe you've posted that Randy. Don't you reckon mindless vandals could pick on some lesser target?
They were white and mindless? Give over!
 
The answer to the subject title of this post, is obviously it’s wrong because that is anarchy in action, the rights and wrongs of whether the statue should be there are a different question but people just can’t go round destroying statues, it is just mob mentality.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
The answer to the subject title of this post, is obviously it’s wrong because that is anarchy in action, the rights and wrongs of whether the statue should be there are a different question but people just can’t go round destroying statues, it is just mob mentality.
Click to expand...
"Anarchy in action" [?!].
This leads to the presumption that you think "anarchy" is bad / a threat / undesirable?
What do you think, you / or someone else [?] should do about it?,
 
Anarchy is a bad thing, and the culprits should be arrested, as should those who defaced the cenotaph, vandalism is vandalism, peaceful protests are the way, once these violent acts appear, then the protests lose credibility.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
the culprits should be arrested, as should those who defaced the cenotaph, vandalism is vandalism,
Click to expand...
"peaceful protests are the way, " Don't get me wrong, I abhor violence. But peaceful protests are nearly always ignored. They do not attract the attention of the violent protests. I remember about 10-12 years ago when 100,000 pensioners marched peacefully through London to protest about the State pension. On the same day 10,000 people were protesting against something (I forget what now). No body knew about the 100,000 pensioners but they heard all about the 10, 000 protesters and their battles with the police. The pensioners did not get a pay rise though.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
Anarchy is a bad thing, and the culprits should be arrested, as should those who defaced the cenotaph, vandalism is vandalism, peaceful protests are the way, once these violent acts appear, then the protests lose credibility.
Click to expand...
I admire your honesty(y)
 
1finny said:
Its true btw some black wealthy people had slaves.
Now 99.9% of those who had them were white but lets deflect with the 0.1% - that’s the modern way roofie, I’m afraid
Click to expand...
White slave ownership greatly expanded the market, but Coulston and his ilk were in league with African and Arab slave traders. Slaves were largely sourced from African slave-owning societies.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
You don't have to be black to be a BLM protestor. In fact it has been stated many times these last few days that black people alone cannot end racism, it's all our problem.
Click to expand...
Agreed.
But do you see how the media will take this is what I was trying to show.

Again, I bet you the majority of those pulling down that statue didn't have a clue who it was or the history behind it. I don't either by the way, apparently a slave trader from 500+ years ago.


You'll see if you looked I was one of the first to warn about riots and protests happening over here after Floyd's death so I know fine well you don't have to be black to care about black lives matter. They do. I understand why many angry, what I won't condone though are the band wagon jumpers who don't give a single f about the cause and are just looking for an excuse for chaos.
 
RandySavage said:
Agreed.
But do you see how the media will take this is what I was trying to show.

Again, I bet you the majority of those pulling down that statue didn't have a clue who it was or the history behind it. I don't either by the way, apparently a slave trader from 500+ years ago.


You'll see if you looked I was one of the first to warn about riots and protests happening over here after Floyd's death so I know fine well you don't have to be black to care about black lives matter. They do. I understand why many angry, what I won't condone though are the band wagon jumpers who don't give a single f about the cause and are just looking for an excuse for chaos.
Click to expand...

Randy, I can assure you that pretty much everyone around that protest will have known exactly who colston was and why it was being pulled down. There has been a popular movement to have the statue removed for several years. People of Bristol know their history.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top