Removing statues is it right or wrong

Second Mate said:
No excuse for vandalism regardless of how you feel about the subject. You can't just pick and choose which laws you decide to live by or otherwise, it's called anarchy.
Oh, look at London, Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester et al. Anarchy in action.
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Some people don’t have a choice about which laws they live by.
They are killed because they are black
Others are constantly pulled over when they drive by the police because they are black
Others are followed around stores by security guards because they are black

Of course vandalism is an issue but, I would respectfully suggest, it is well down the pecking order of what needs sorting.
 
News reports saying Black lives matter protesters dragged the statue in Bristol down. Looking at the video not one black person involved in it. Purely an excuse for mindless vandalism, those white early 20 something's I can guarantee don't give a toss about a slave trader from 500 years ago.

What's next? Folk dragging down the statue of Churchill?
 
The people of Bristol voted a couple of years ago to keep the statue, as despite his links to the slave trade he was a philanthropist who had done a lot for the city.

Abolishing the slave trade was obviously the right thing to do, it was horrendous, but we need to remember that it wasn’t just white people that enslaved black people.

It is a terrible part of history and unfortunately is still going on today in certain countries.
 
zorro_mfc said:
No not at all the song is penny lane named after a street in Liverpool named penny lane name after this man ...

Penny Lane was named after 18th-century slave trader James Penny. As with many of the era's industrialists, Penny became wealthy through the international slave trade, for which the port city served as an important stopover between the African continent and America.
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Really...

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RandySavage said:
News reports saying Black lives matter protesters dragged the statue in Bristol down. Looking at the video not one black person involved in it. Purely an excuse for mindless vandalism, those white early 20 something's I can guarantee don't give a toss about a slave trader from 500 years ago.

What's next? Folk dragging down the statue of Churchill?
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Agreed.
Makes a good story for the press though - and fans the flames of racism from the side lines.
 
uncle_rico said:
The people of Bristol voted a couple of years ago to keep the statue, as despite his links to the slave trade he was a philanthropist who had done a lot for the city.

Abolishing the slave trade was obviously the right thing to do, it was horrendous, but we need to remember that it wasn’t just white people that enslaved black people.

It is a terrible part of history and unfortunately is still going on today in certain countries.
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"it wasn’t just white people that enslaved black people." Who was it then?
 
uncle_rico said:
The people of Bristol voted a couple of years ago to keep the statue, as despite his links to the slave trade he was a philanthropist who had done a lot for the city.

Abolishing the slave trade was obviously the right thing to do, it was horrendous, but we need to remember that it wasn’t just white people that enslaved black people.

It is a terrible part of history and unfortunately is still going on today in certain countries.
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He was a slaver and shouldn't be commemorated.
It doesn't matter that he also used some of his immorally gained wealth for good causes.

His race is irrelevant, there shouldn't be statues celebrating African and Asian slavers either.
 
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uncle_rico said:
but we need to remember that it wasn’t just white people that enslaved black people.
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Is there any other area of history in which you know a little about that you understand less?

I mean that is just elite level whataboutery.

r00fie1 said:
fans the flames of racism from the side lines.
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Explain how dragging down the statue of a slave trader "fans the flames of racism" more than its continued existence. I'll wait.
 
Its true btw some black wealthy people had slaves.
Now 99.9% of those who had them were white but lets deflect with the 0.1% - that’s the modern way roofie, I’m afraid
 
RandySavage said:
News reports saying Black lives matter protesters dragged the statue in Bristol down. Looking at the video not one black person involved in it. Purely an excuse for mindless vandalism, those white early 20 something's I can guarantee don't give a toss about a slave trader from 500 years ago.

What's next? Folk dragging down the statue of Churchill?
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Not sure what video you are looking at. I saw loads of black people involved. Including the two who attached the rope
 
Muttley said:
Is there any other area of history in which you know a little about that you understand less?

I mean that is just elite level whataboutery.



Explain how dragging down the statue of a slave trader "fans the flames of racism" more than its continued existence. I'll wait.
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Hello Muttley.
The original report of the statue being felled in Bristol was placed in the context of Black Lives Matter protests - the inference being that the two were linked.
As our fellow poster points out - there is no sign of a person of colour engaged in demolition of the statue.
Hence: "(It) Makes a good story for the press though - and fans the flames of racism from the side lines."
The downing of the statue in this context isnt important, its media sowing the seed that the two are inter-connected.
Black = destruction = BAD
 
1finny said:
Its true btw some black wealthy people had slaves.
Now 99.9% of those who had them were white but lets deflect with the 0.1% - that’s the modern way roofie, I’m afraid
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Interesting justification for the slave trade.
Have you a source for your assertion about the 0.1% of slave "owners" who were black please? I look forward to conducting further research on the matter.
Thank You.
 
hewielewie said:
Not sure what video you are looking at. I saw loads of black people involved. Including the two who attached the rope
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The statue falling and the mob jumping up and down on it, couldn't see a black person there. Now I'm not saying there wasn't but the video I saw was all white faces, including the other video of the statue been thrown in the river.
 
r00fie1 said:
there is no sign of a person of colour engaged in demolition of the statue.
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Firstly, you are wrong there were "people of colour" in the video I saw (there are quite a few doing the rounds on Twitter)

Secondly, if there were no "people of colour" involved I would say that was a good thing. Racism is not just saying rude words to people who are different to you, it is also inaction in the face of prejudice and intolerance.
 
r00fie1 said:
Interesting justification for the slave trade.
Have you a source for your assertion about the 0.1% of slave "owners" who were black please? I look forward to conducting further research on the matter.
Thank You.
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Roofie - may have misled you. I’m not justifying it one jot. I was commenting on the stupidity of trying to justify it at all - let alone with a ‘what about a few blacks or others who had slaves’ - it stinks to me. Whataboutery at its worse
 
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