Yes all cleaners deserve a payrise, not what I was getting at. Plus its not the workers doing it, its the union. Plus even despite low paid cleaners working for network rail, the rail industry averages 40k plus, that may well be deserved but as an overall industry I wouldn't consider that to be a low wage at all, its a lot more than I earn. That number will be relative to where people live so for some it may be difficult. But I have to say, I don't look at a person earning 40k per year and think "well they need a pay rise urgently", I do with cleaners. Also I would add that these workers may well deserve their 40k, but people earning that are certainly not poor.