Are we turning the Ukrainian people into targets?

coluka said:
They are all being given time to remove or sell their assets, transfer monies out etc, once done, we then become an unimportant piece of land that could be used as a target to send a message to mainland Europe and America or a base to attempt to invade and open a second front. The nuclear deterrent is the main basis for our protection. If that ceases to be a deterrent, because one ageing mans mad dream to go down in world history is worth a gamble, then all bets are off.
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You should write fiction! A wonderfully vivid and anglocentric imagination here.

I guess Brexit has actually done us a solid in this regard: Putin and his influence have made us a worthless little country and it'll mean we are pretty safe from attack.
 
SmallTown said:
You should write fiction! A wonderfully vivid and anglocentric imagination here.

I guess Brexit has actually done us a solid in this regard: Putin and his influence have made us a worthless little country and it'll mean we are pretty safe from attack.
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Aren’t you the poster who regularly complains about petty insults and snide comments by others toward you? Hmmm, kettle and pot spring to mind.

As for your Brexit comment, I suggest you put your footling hang ups to one side and wake up, innocent people are being slaughtered in the pretence of defence by an aggressor and you think we are safe from attack. Russia has devised its own version of freedom of movement and it wont rest with Ukraine once it has succeeded.

Russia relies heavily on gas and oil. The western world is moving away from fossil fuels. Economically where would that have left Russia and its oligarchs? Land grabbing = resource grabbing = control and power = wealth.
 
coluka said:
Aren’t you the poster who regularly complains about petty insults and snide comments by others toward you? Hmmm, kettle and pot spring to mind.

As for your Brexit comment, I suggest you put your footling hang ups to one side and wake up, innocent people are being slaughtered in the pretence of defence by an aggressor and you think we are safe from attack. Russia has devised its own version of freedom of movement and it wont rest with Ukraine once it has succeeded.

Russia relies heavily on gas and oil. The western world is moving away from fossil fuels. Economically where would that have left Russia and its oligarchs? Land grabbing = resource grabbing = control and power = wealth.
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Why would I put my brexit concerns aside? When Russian interference helped influence the result and the weakened state of the UK and the EU has helped embolden Putin to attack Ukraine. It's an uncomfortable truth for all brexit voters that to some small degree they are complicit in this attack.
 
SmallTown said:
Why would I put my brexit concerns aside? When Russian interference helped influence the result and the weakened state of the UK and the EU has helped embolden Putin to attack Ukraine. It's an uncomfortable truth for all brexit voters that to some small degree they are complicit in this attack.
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Silly boy.
 
SmallTown said:
Why would I put my brexit concerns aside? When Russian interference helped influence the result and the weakened state of the UK and the EU has helped embolden Putin to attack Ukraine. It's an uncomfortable truth for all brexit voters that to some small degree they are complicit in this attack.
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Even with the deluded blinkers you view the world through this comment is just plain stupid.
 
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For too long we've let Russia get away with all sorts...

We've been weak in the past and tried to please them - that hasn't worked, so like every bully eventually learns, one day their victim will start fighting back
 
SmallTown said:
Why. Rather than insult: why do you say that? Why else did Russia interfere with he brexit vote? It wasn't just for giggles
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Let me see if I have got this right - please correct me if I am wrong.

Complicit means - involved with others in an activity that is unlawful or morally wrong

Are you suggesting that those who voted for Brexit;

1) did so knowing Russia would invade Ukraine
2) Support Russia now even if they didn't expect what is happening
3) don't care what happens in Europe regarding Russian aggression

if none fit please explain what you meant when you said 'complicit'.
 
Millbrook said:
Let me see if I have got this right - please correct me if I am wrong.

Complicit means - involved with others in an activity that is unlawful or morally wrong

Are you suggesting that those who voted for Brexit;

1) did so knowing Russia would invade Ukraine
2) Support Russia now even if they didn't expect what is happening
3) don't care what happens in Europe regarding Russian aggression

if none fit please explain what you meant when you said 'complicit'.
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You are incorrect

I mean complicit in the fact that the Brexit vote, which was influenced by Russia, Isolated the UK and weakened the EU

By doing both of these things it's likely to embolden any foreign powers to do things that, as a powerful nation and trading bloc, you could intervene on and lesson the impact. Isolating our country has helped embolden anyone to take actions they know we will oppose. Hence why I said it was only in a small way, but it is true we are less powerful and the EU is less strong and we are major players opposing what Russia are doing
 
SmallTown said:
You are incorrect

I mean complicit in the fact that the Brexit vote, which was influenced by Russia, Isolated the UK and weakened the EU

By doing both of these things it's likely to embolden any foreign powers to do things that, as a powerful nation and trading bloc, you could intervene on and lesson the impact. Isolating our country has helped embolden anyone to take actions they know we will oppose. Hence why I said it was only in a small way, but it is true we are less powerful and the EU is less strong and we are major players opposing what Russia are doing
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Guessing you don’t think you’re complicit in anyway thou.
 
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I think the word complicit is wrong in terms of voters, but certainly at the heart of the Leave campaigns I think that would be exactly the right word.

The UK government has declared that there was Russian involvement in the 2014 Referendum campaign in Scotland and also in the most recent General Election. One of the key findings of the Russian Report was that the government had made no attempt to investigate direct Kremlin interference in Brexit. I think not investigating possible criminal activities of 'friends' is about as complicit as it gets.
 
Kosovo said:
Guessing you don’t think you’re complicit in anyway thou.
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O the contrary, I know I am. Not in the same way, I'm certainly not proud of weakening the country but it's clear that the Russian funded Tories have taken the catastrophe that was brexit and further weakened us
 
Of course it wrong it’s a frankly ludicrous comment, the weakness of the west to act on Crimea, trumps obsession with isolation to pull US back from nato and further weaken the west’s resolve.

That’s the issue nothing to do with brexit at all infact as the Uk is still the key player in nato after the the US so that makes no sense either.
 
SmallTown said:
O the contrary, I know I am. Not in the same way, I'm certainly not proud of weakening the country but it's clear that the Russian funded Tories have taken the catastrophe that was brexit and further weakened us
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Fair play for your reply. Personally I don’t think it matters one bit to Putin if The Uk was in or out of The EU regarding the Ukraine invasion.
 
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zorro_mfc said:
Of course it wrong it’s a frankly ludicrous comment, the weakness of the west to act on Crimea, trumps obsession with isolation to pull US back from nato and further weaken the west’s resolve.

That’s the issue nothing to do with brexit at all infact as the Uk is still the key player in nato after the the US so that makes no sense either.
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I would disagree with this: for the facts I already stated. Brexit has destabilised the EU. Which would embolden Russia and, as you rightly point out, we are a key NATO member but Brexit has significantly isolated us as a country and reduced our world standing. So being a “key NATO member” means very little now.
 
SmallTown said:
O the contrary, I know I am. Not in the same way, I'm certainly not proud of weakening the country but it's clear that the Russian funded Tories have taken the catastrophe that was brexit and further weakened us
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You said 'complicit in this attack' and your subsequent weasel words cannot get away from the fact that you made this abhorrent slur as part of your campaign against Brexit voters.
You are a complete disgrace.
 
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