Cousin_of_Fabio
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The story with Downing in the room with Pulis and Woodgate telling him he couldn't start one more game because of a clause in his contract was a tad embarrassing.
I think the way it ended was a disgrace. It's a strong word but I can't for the life of me understand how it was ever allowed to reach that point. The lad was the jewel in the crown of our modern-day academy and played over 400 games for us. Maybe that speaks to the lack of planning or long(er)-term vision at the club. Warnock recommended that players like McNair, Bola, Dijksteel et al get new contracts done and dusted so the club have some continuity and can plan properly. It suggests that it wasn't something that was being done properly before. We had a very high number of players out of contract last summer and a large number in on loan. It is unsustainable in the long run, I think(hope) Warnock will try and help the club organise that side of things a little better. Pulis was supposed to have done it but it turns out he did the square root of sod all.
player contracts are valuable multi-million pound assets. You either sell an asset and recoup it's value or you protect the asset.Think the point on longer-term planning is a cracking one
Yeah I was saying above, it looks like sometimes the communication isn't great internally.Both the Downing and Higgy situations appear to boil down to a simple lack of communication. Let's be honest, Gibson must have had a very good relationship with the Downing family throughout all of the years, and for for it to end like it did is pretty bad in all fairness.
And I cannot believe neither Karanka or Higgy had it in them to just sit down and offer to have a conversation with each other. You're talking about a manager and his assistant! Basic communication.
Even Schwarzer said the end of his time at the club was not good and left him pretty angry. These are all long tenured players that probably deserved a little better. Not necessarily a contract, but better communication from the club.
exactly, I'm sure Dimi, Ayala, Stuani, Leadbitter, Friend, Clayton and others got on perfectly well with him. In fact it was when Karanka contacted Friend that he changed his mind on going to play his last couple of seasons in Italy.He dropped carayol because he wasn't working hard enough. This proved terribly detrimental in the short term. A year later we were breaking defensive records with the team scrapping for every inch. It's far too simplistic to say he is terrible at man management. If you have a group of 30 people not everyone is going to react well to your style of management. The majority did which is why we got promoted.
Which Italian club was in for Friend like?exactly, I'm sure Dimi, Ayala, Stuani, Leadbitter, Friend, Clayton and others got on perfectly well with him. In fact it was when Karanka contacted Friend that he changed his mind on going to play his last couple of seasons in Italy.
player contracts are valuable multi-million pound assets. You either sell an asset and recoup it's value or you protect the asset.
It's simple economics buy low sell high. protect your investment, don't investment in assets that are naturally coming to end of life.
Football isn't rocket science, but it fails to learn from other industries, it thinks itself unique. Yes there are unique aspects, but it's still a business, with consumers to please, metrics that can be measured, and it still needs long term strategic goals and visions backed with credible and workable strategy.
We have failed dismally at this for a decade now, that isn't by accident.
But realistically of all the players who's contract came to an end and will come to an end in the summer (and that's a total of 10 players isn't it?) the only one we would have really wanted to resign is/was Howson. All the rest - Friend, Clayton, Johnson, Ayala, Shotton, Gestede, Pears, Assombalonga, Fletcher - were/are either too expensive, not good enough or very replaceable.Yes totally agree, I think when warnock come out and said there were issues behind the scenes a lot of fans jumped to the conclusion that it was purely down to recruitment and bringing players in, but I think he was more talking about ensuring your best players are taken care of and you make sure you extend their contracts before they have a year left.
I guess the point is, if the asset is no longer valuable to your company, you cash in on it. That was difficult last year because we found ourselves in a bad situation in the league, but we should have known 12 months earlier that certainly players needed to leave and got it done.But realistically of all the players who's contract came to an end and will come to an end in the summer (and that's a total of 10 players isn't it?) the only one we would have really wanted to resign is/was Howson. All the rest - Friend, Clayton, Johnson, Ayala, Shotton, Gestede, Pears, Assombalonga, Fletcher - were/are either too expensive, not good enough or very replaceable.
We'd signed up the likes of Tav, Fry, Coulson, Spence on longer contracts earlier that season or the season before with Fry.
Sorry, I don't know which club it was, I'm presuming a bottom Serie A or top Serie B club. I just know that his mother was against him moving to Italy with the pandemic, but he was giving it serious consideration until Karanka called him. Once Karanka wanted him as his general, it was an easy choice.Which Italian club was in for Friend like?
I genuinely don't get your position on Manchester City.I think its fair to say Gibson has complete control at the club and arguably 'too much' power but I just think in a world where the alternatives could be so much worse I'm happy to put with that. And I do mean 'put up with' rather than 'embrace'.
The last 15 years have been undoubtedly rubbish in comparison to the previous 20 (1986-2006), with only really one genuine 'achievement'. But I look at how its gone at some other clubs and wonder how the fans can actually call it 'their club' (and I actually include Man City in that).
You can't force them to leave when they're on good contracts with no chance of anyone else picking up that tab for them. Hands were tied. Not really the club's fault other than trusting them to take is forward 3 or 4 years ago when they signed them.I guess the point is, if the asset is no longer valuable to your company, you cash in on it. That was difficult last year because we found ourselves in a bad situation in the league, but we should have known 12 months earlier that certainly players needed to leave and got it done.