Hospitality Fights Back

HolgateCorner said:
Obviously there is a profit/jobs consideration but putting that to one side what‘s the general view in hospitality about the virus?

Do you think it would be safe to re-open in April?
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I believe it is safe to open the same time that non essential shops are allowed to open.
I see no difference between the two industries. Well actually that's a lie but that's a whole other discussion.

As for Sachs's court case update, I can't see the judges going for it. It's got way too much riding on it and Tories don't give us nice things.
 
HolgateCorner said:
Randy works in the industry doesn’t he? I was just interested in what the feeling in the industry was.

Are you in hospitality?
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I apologize I should have worded it differently..

The court case is arguing that there is no evidence for hospitality to be closed / restricted.

Oh and no I'm not in hospitality.
 
Randy said:
I believe it is safe to open the same time that non essential shops are allowed to open.
I see no difference between the two industries. Well actually that's a lie but that's a whole other discussion.

As for Sachs's court case update, I can't see the judges going for it. It's got way too much riding on it and Tories don't give us nice things.
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I must say when I went to country pubs for meals out last summer I thought everything was well spaced out, clean and organised. Must be the city and town centre places they worry about?
 
The way I see it the problem is in hospitality places people linger a lot longer than in shops. Therefore they are more likely to pass on any diseases to others. However pubs and restaurants have got to be safer than supermarkets? The shear volume of people in these places makes them a big risk.
 
HolgateCorner said:
I must say when I went to country pubs for meals out last summer I thought everything was well spaced out, clean and organised. Must be the city and town centre places they worry about?
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I don't know what they are worried about? Is it when people have fun they tend to forget about life's worries? Possibly?

As you mentioned places have adapted and spent decent amounts of money to make buildings 'safer'. You could argue that some of the previous guidance/rules they brought in before would actually make things worse. For example table service has way more of a chance of spreading any virus than say an individual ordering a drink how they normally would.
 
Randy said:
I don't know what they are worried about? Is it when people have fun they tend to forget about life's worries? Possibly?

As you mentioned places have adapted and spent decent amounts of money to make buildings 'safer'. You could argue that some of the previous guidance/rules they brought in before would actually make things worse. For example table service has way more of a chance of spreading any virus than say an individual ordering a drink how they normally would.
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Yes agree, I think it should all be opened back up with the precautions in place and let people make their living again and let the punters have some leisure facilities.
 
HolgateCorner said:
I must say when I went to country pubs for meals out last summer I thought everything was well spaced out, clean and organised. Must be the city and town centre places they worry about?
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There was a variety of responses from boozers near to me. One you were met at the door while you sorted your hands out and showed you to table, with excellent table service.

Another made no effort whatsoever. It's a micro pub which made it more difficult but the numbers in there were unreal.

My club was open with decent spacing etc and went well until they got permission for a music night. It became the centre of a spread of Covid and was closed down. Evidence that Covid does spread in hospitality venues. The longer you're in a closed space, like offices, the easier it spreads.

Looking forward to the club reopening in April, will need a coat but good to get together for a pint again.
 
The thing is the virus spreads from person to person. I don't think anyone disputes that? It needs a human host to reproduce and then infect another. So the key to reducing transmission is two fold. Immunity and separation. Once enough people are immune (either through having had it and recovered or by vaccination) you can mix freely and any transmission is limited (this is the R number). So until we have enough people vaccinated we cannot have universal free contact, much as we might like it. So we have to continue "separation" to reduce or limit transmission. This is where this question comes in. What do we open/re-open first? I don't know the answer. My take is that mathematicians and economists have modelled the risks and benefits of opening leisure v non essential shops and that there is less risk of re-opening the shops. Quoting good shops and bad pubs is neither here nor there, you are dealing with massive numbers and it is the model that decides which is the safest course of action.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
There was a variety of responses from boozers near to me. One you were met at the door while you sorted your hands out and showed you to table, with excellent table service.

Another made no effort whatsoever. It's a micro pub which made it more difficult but the numbers in there were unreal.

My club was open with decent spacing etc and went well until they got permission for a music night. It became the centre of a spread of Covid and was closed down. Evidence that Covid does spread in hospitality venues. The longer you're in a closed space, like offices, the easier it spreads.

Looking forward to the club reopening in April, will need a coat but good to get together for a pint again.
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Big outbreak in a club local to us as well where it also sounds like they put nothing in place to stop people mixing. Shame for the ones who have spent a fortune making their pubs covid secure but unfortunately there will always be the ones that dont, and the customers that dont follow the rules which made it impossible for them to remain open. Just common sense that a virus will spread in a small indoor space, especially after people have a few drinks.
 
To be honest, whether it gets though court, win or lose, i think that it signifies that the hospitality sector are not going to bend over and take fluff reasoning from the government anymore. Curfews have already been exposed and i imagine everything the Gov try to impose from now on will be tested to the max.

Hopeful that the government will now put serious thought into decisions going forward (no stupid attempts to close business due to infection rate/new cases only).

Now the vaccine has proven its success and the rapid drop in deaths/hospitalizations. There is little left keeping things from returning to normal after May. The point of this court case is to stop any future closures without good solid evidence or reason.

(IMO)
 
The hospitality sector... Not the hero we want but the hero we need. 😂

The science behind restrictions needs to be questioned because it's rubbish. Modelled rubbish.
 
weemoby said:
Realistically, it’s highly unlikely that pubs will be opening on the same date as shops is it not?
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Highly unlikely yes.
Impossible? No.

It's in court this week.

Also, freedom of information request to the Scottish government came up with this.

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My instinct from anecdotes like outbreaks in social clubs and pubs locally is that hospitality is a risk.

However, the only way of knowing and proving it is by having a track and trace that can gather evidence and show where the hotspots are.

Without that evidence its difficult to justify some of the approaches to opening up.

I think they will have a strong case due to the failures of government to collect data on outbreaks that would have been more easily managed/ collected via local public health teams.
 
The Isle of Man dispensed with masks, social distancing and opened up all shops and hospitality venues on the 1st February to some fanfare. Wonder how that's going for them?:unsure:

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Nuff said!
 
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