Brands to avoid (donators to the Tory party)

HolgateCorner said:
That’s a fair point but we all know the Tories tell populist lies to get the swing voters to vote for them and a lot of the money goes into the Tory propaganda machine.
So it’s not realiy about better policies it’s about the mental conditioning of the electorate and the more money the Tories have the better they can be at this aspect of politics.
Plus the people in these companies who make the decision to donate will be those at the very top with massive remuneration and vested interest in keeping the Tories in power and the ordinary worker on the floor. That is reason enough isn’t it?
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I get what your saying, i really do.

However tbat doesnt distract from the point that if 1 side has better policies, better ideas, a better way then all the money in the world wont stop them coming to the fore.
Let me give you an analogy, maybe not along the same lines but non tbe less the same thing.
A few years ago Man City and Wigan played the FA Cup final.
Nobody gave little Wigan a prayer. The vast difference in finances and perceived ability was just too much.
But we all know what happened, Wigan by whatever means had the answer, tbe right 'policies' to take City down.
What im trying to say is, by all means take away the cash flow. Remove the benefits of those donating, but if your policies are better in the first place you wouldnt need to other tactics.
 
The elite have been using them since democracy was first attempted. They don't want democracy, it's why we still haven't got it but are told we live in the world's best for democratic process so we believe it.
 
Boroproud said:
I get what your saying, i really do.

However tbat doesnt distract from the point that if 1 side has better policies, better ideas, a better way then all the money in the world wont stop them coming to the fore.
Let me give you an analogy, maybe not along the same lines but non tbe less the same thing.
A few years ago Man City and Wigan played the FA Cup final.
Nobody gave little Wigan a prayer. The vast difference in finances and perceived ability was just too much.
But we all know what happened, Wigan by whatever means had the answer, tbe right 'policies' to take City down.
What im trying to say is, by all means take away the cash flow. Remove the benefits of those donating, but if your policies are better in the first place you wouldnt need to other tactics.
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Of course you would, these companies are only donating to the tories in return for favourable polices , polices that make them more money, not polices that are in the best interests of the population. By putting pressure on these companies not to fund tory misery helps.
 
Boroproud said:
I get what your saying, i really do.

However tbat doesnt distract from the point that if 1 side has better policies, better ideas, a better way then all the money in the world wont stop them coming to the fore.
Let me give you an analogy, maybe not along the same lines but non tbe less the same thing.
A few years ago Man City and Wigan played the FA Cup final.
Nobody gave little Wigan a prayer. The vast difference in finances and perceived ability was just too much.
But we all know what happened, Wigan by whatever means had the answer, tbe right 'policies' to take City down.
What im trying to say is, by all means take away the cash flow. Remove the benefits of those donating, but if your policies are better in the first place you wouldnt need to other tactics.
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I don't really get you analogy - that was a one off football game, not a long drawn out election campaign.

Plenty of Labour leaders have had "better policies", but then the Tory spin machine largely funded by many of those people named on the original link, sets to work and convinces the general public that they're not better policies, or that the person who would lead the party is a anything from a terrorist to someone who can't eat a bacon sandwich.

Some policies that one party come up with will be dismissed as unworkable, but then when the other party comes up with them are hailed by the press / political commentators.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
I don't really get you analogy - that was a one off football game, not a long drawn out election campaign.

Plenty of Labour leaders have had "better policies", but then the Tory spin machine largely funded by many of those people named on the original link, sets to work and convinces the general public that they're not better policies, or that the person who would lead the party is a anything from a terrorist to someone who can't eat a bacon sandwich.

Some policies that one party come up with will be dismissed as unworkable, but then when the other party comes up with them are hailed by the press / political commentators.
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So who is at fault and who has to step up the plste?

Im sorry but just saying the "Tory spin' works better doesnt wash.

The other parties should , for want of a better way of saying it, should improve their own spin.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
I don't really get you analogy - that was a one off football game, not a long drawn out election campaign.

Plenty of Labour leaders have had "better policies", but then the Tory spin machine largely funded by many of those people named on the original link, sets to work and convinces the general public that they're not better policies, or that the person who would lead the party is a anything from a terrorist to someone who can't eat a bacon sandwich.

Some policies that one party come up with will be dismissed as unworkable, but then when the other party comes up with them are hailed by the press / political commentators.
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Today's level of public spending is multiple times higher than what was affordable last year, for instance.
 
Boroproud said:
So who is at fault and who has to step up the plste?

Im sorry but just saying the "Tory spin' works better doesnt wash.

The other parties should , for want of a better way of saying it, should improve their own spin.
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Which requires $$$, which is coming from the donors listed in the original post - you're arguing against your own point now.
 
Boroproud said:
So who is at fault and who has to step up the plste?

Im sorry but just saying the "Tory spin' works better doesnt wash.

The other parties should , for want of a better way of saying it, should improve their own spin.
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We need to remove spin from politics, look at the mess we are in from spin.
We need to remove the influence a few very rich individuals have over political parties so they can work us rather than the richest 1%
They only understand profit, threaten their profits if they meddle?
 
Boroproud said:
I get what your saying, i really do.

However tbat doesnt distract from the point that if 1 side has better policies, better ideas, a better way then all the money in the world wont stop them coming to the fore.
Let me give you an analogy, maybe not along the same lines but non tbe less the same thing.
A few years ago Man City and Wigan played the FA Cup final.
Nobody gave little Wigan a prayer. The vast difference in finances and perceived ability was just too much.
But we all know what happened, Wigan by whatever means had the answer, tbe right 'policies' to take City down.
What im trying to say is, by all means take away the cash flow. Remove the benefits of those donating, but if your policies are better in the first place you wouldnt need to other tactics.
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I agree with everything you say but I also think you have to fight the money side of the Tory Party (and I appreciate it’s not all like that) on every front.
 
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