Because of Abbott & Corbyn

Osboro

Osboro

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For those people who justify their vote for the Tories by trotting out the above can I remind them that ( I believe) every constituancy had at least three candidates. LibDem, Green , Indepedent or many others were available .
By voting Tory you endorsed this shambles , this shambles who talk of there overwhelming majority whilst ignoring the fact they polled less than 44%. I suspect your vote would'nt have altered the seats won but the " popular endorsement" would have sounded even more hollow, so, when you see this venal shower of crooks talk with authority as the chosen government of the population it is with the moral certainty gained by YOUR VOTE. Well done. You used your choice.
 
So are you and others going to continue this diatribe for the next 4 years? I’ve news for you- you can’t change it. We’re stuck with what will be judged as one of the most incompetent governments there has been.

To keep on reminding those who voted them in achieves what, exactly?
 
No one knew that Coronavirus was going to happen in December 2019

Equally people that voted for Brexit in 2016, HAD to vote Tory as they were the only one who were going to 'honour the result' - if Labour, Lib Dem, etc had been more open instead of labelling people all sorts of names for voting Brexit in the first place, then perhaps they may have done better in the GE
 
Juninho10 said:
No one knew that Coronavirus was going to happen in December 2019

Equally people that voted for Brexit in 2016, HAD to vote Tory as they were the only one who were going to 'honour the result' - if Labour, Lib Dem, etc had been more open instead of labelling people all sorts of names for voting Brexit in the first place, then perhaps they may have done better in the GE
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What names did they label them with?
 
That's fine, if your comfortable with your vote so be it. My issue is with the lilly livered lick spittle scum suckers who blame labour after voting Tory in a "safe labour" or "safe Tory" seat. Yours wasn't a " get your act together labour!" Vote, It wasn't considered an " anti Corbyn vote" ,it could only be considered a pro Tory. So, to cry now that it was some how Labours fault is , I'm afraid, like a Peadophile blaming an ugly wife.
 
Nosmo-King said:
So are you and others going to continue this diatribe for the next 4 years? I’ve news for you- you can’t change it. We’re stuck with what will be judged as one of the most incompetent governments there has been.

To keep on reminding those who voted them in achieves what, exactly?
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It’s worse than that Nosmo
If you do the maths the chances of a change of government in 4 years time are slim to zero.
It would need a monumental collapse in the Tory vote all switching to Labour. It would be unprecedented. Those ‘ex red wall’ voters are self justifying their decision to change and digging in their heels. It;s fascinating talking to them and listening to how they justify a government that they would have hated 5 years ago.
Yes, the Tory’s will psis people off but (IMO) nowhere near enough for the landslide to happen.
 
Osboro said:
this shambles who talk of there overwhelming majority whilst ignoring the fact they polled less than 44%
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So are you angry with the Tories or the electoral system that has put Labour into power before but is inconvenient now?

If there was a election today I wouldn’t vote Conservative but I’ll never ever vote for Labour.

Labour only have themselves to blame for the massive Tory majority, they tried to undermine the government over Brexit purely for political gain, the public saw right through it and were fatigued by Brexit and just wanted resolution.
 
UKLL, ok that' s fine, so what are you for?
Ignore the trimmings and the personalities .
What basic beliefs and principles would a party need to win your vote?
 
Juninho10 said:
No one knew that Coronavirus was going to happen in December 2019

Equally people that voted for Brexit in 2016, HAD to vote Tory as they were the only one who were going to 'honour the result' - if Labour, Lib Dem, etc had been more open instead of labelling people all sorts of names for voting Brexit in the first place, then perhaps they may have done better in the GE
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They didn't have to vote tory, worth remembering that the tories had a majority under may, it was the tory party not any other party that held up brexit, seems brexiters put a single issue that most of them couldn't have cared less about 6 years ago above everything.
They put a racist incompetent habitual liar in charge on the back of brexit.
Johnson wasn't even in favour of brexit pre referendum he just saw a gap in the market to reach his holy grail of number 10.
Its your mess own it.
I can understand people not voting Labour but how any working class person could give another over privileged out of touch self entitled old eton 5 years of power is beyond me
 
I doubt there are many posters who voted tory purely because of Corbyn and Abbott, what makes you think people did? It is far more likely they voted tory due to brexit surely?
 
It's very sad for the country. If the media wasn't so corrupt, and the Labour party wasn't stuffed full of tories in disguise we could have had Prime Minister Corbyn and a real improvement to quality of life.

Hey ho never mind. The public gets what the public wants.
 
coluka said:
I doubt there are many posters who voted tory purely because of Corbyn and Abbott, what makes you think people did? It is far more likely they voted tory due to brexit surely?
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I doubt if many did from this board as, generally, most people here have reasoned approaches to their political opinions. There were a couple of very vociferous posters here who had some hate complex for Corbyn though. Across the country, most door to door canvassers will have come across far more "never vote for Corbyn" voters.
 
coluka said:
I doubt there are many posters who voted tory purely because of Corbyn and Abbott, what makes you think people did? It is far more likely they voted tory due to brexit surely?
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It's a comment I only see banded about on here time and time again by people on the left. Bizarre

It was a stuffed up Brexit approach that did for Labour. No coincidence it was Labour Leave areas that went blue
 
bear66 said:
I doubt if many did from this board as, generally, most people here have reasoned approaches to their political opinions. There were a couple of very vociferous posters here who had some hate complex for Corbyn though. Across the country, most door to door canvassers will have come across far more "never vote for Corbyn" voters.
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As you know bear66, I was very anti-Corbyn and wasn’t shy of expressing my view on him, but I still voted Labour. I did waiver on the Liberal and Green Party for a little while, but It was clear that the vote would be pointless in my constituency. Unfortunately the Tory got in again. I have to say I am far more comfortable with Labour now we have an electable leader in charge who imho will attract sufficient centrists to vote Labour next time given the mess this government is making of everything. I must admit I find it hard to compute how so many people put brexit above all else. Corbyn was clearly a factor with voters, but I am unconvinced that many voted Tory purely because of Corbyn.
 
coluka said:
As you know bear66, I was very anti-Corbyn and wasn’t shy of expressing my view on him, but I still voted Labour. I did waiver on the Liberal and Green Party for a little while, but It was clear that the vote would be pointless in my constituency. Unfortunately the Tory got in again. I have to say I am far more comfortable with Labour now we have an electable leader in charge who imho will attract sufficient centrists to vote Labour next time given the mess this government is making of everything. I must admit I find it hard to compute how so many people put brexit above all else. Corbyn was clearly a factor with voters, but I am unconvinced that many voted Tory purely because of Corbyn.
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I can only go by a friend who canvassed for three weeks in this area. Corbyn was mentioned with vehemence at a lot of doors and rational conversation was virtually impossible. Brexit conversations were more nuanced, with many saying they couldn't understand the Labour policy; it was easier to believe in getting Brexit done with an oven ready deal.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Spot on.

The lies about 'we can't afford it' have been well and truly blown out of the water by the incompetents you elected. They're throwing money away like it's going out of fashion on failing projects whilst making sure the money spent goes to their well established circle.

Wake up you buffoons.
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absolutely the brexit omnishambles and covid PPE/Track n trace/testing/virus research costs are billions more than anything Abbot and Corbyn wanted to spend.
 
bear66 said:
I can only go by a friend who canvassed for three weeks in this area. Corbyn was mentioned with vehemence at a lot of doors and rational conversation was virtually impossible. Brexit conversations were more nuanced, with many saying they couldn't understand the Labour policy; it was easier to believe in getting Brexit done with an oven ready deal.
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Same here Bear. My friend was hoofing around South London for weeks and all he was hearing was (as he termed it) ABC - anyone but Corbyn.
 
bear66 said:
I can only go by a friend who canvassed for three weeks in this area. Corbyn was mentioned with vehemence at a lot of doors and rational conversation was virtually impossible. Brexit conversations were more nuanced, with many saying they couldn't understand the Labour policy; it was easier to believe in getting Brexit done with an oven ready deal.
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Yeah I am sure there was a lot of animosity surrounding Corbyn, I have no doubt about that, I could see traditional Labour voters voting for other parties because of him. I just think that to vote Tory, Labours traditional voters doing so wont have done so only or directly because of him, it would not make sense (well to me anyway), but then again, we are living through times where beggar all seems to make any sense anymore. Roll on 2024
 
The notion that we could afford the sort of public spending Covid has (rightly) necessitated, so should have spent in any case is extremely naive.
We CAN"T afford the level of spending we are seeing and it will result in a combination of dangerous public debt, higher taxes and lower levels of service in future. Future generations will be suffering this burden for a very long time. The current spending is essential, not a choice IMHO.
The Govt spending has to happen now and I believe should be increased for industries in regions forced into the most debilitating lockdowns.
I was and am in support of higher Govt investment in capital infrastructure at times of low interest.
I am also in favour of wealth redistribution which is the real issue we need to confront.
But a gung ho attitude to the public purse is simply not the same as dealing with a global pandemic.
 
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