UK announces 3,539 more Covid-19 cases in highest rise in four months

My mate said he couldn't get a test today, when I went 6 weeks ago there was no one there. Clearly a huge spike in demand. Is that because cases are rising, or are cases rising because everyone wants a test?
 
It was always going to happen once people started to think that the worst was over. All these little social distancing indescretions, those visits to other people's house etc have added to those who simply didn't bother anyway.
It's really simple, keep your distance, wash your hands, wear a mask properly and do your bit, however much you hate it because if we don't then it'll be back to full-on lockdowns again.
 
It’s a a like for like comparison as the parameters of testing are different.

That doesn't mean we should not be worried. We should be worried as hospital admissions are rising and that means these cases will see even more go hospital.

i would expect to see us operating at 50 deaths a day again with 4 weeks of this isn’t curbed
 
dooderooni said:
It was always going to happen once people started to think that the worst was over. All these little social distancing indescretions, those visits to other people's house etc have added to those who simply didn't bother anyway.
It's really simple, keep your distance, wash your hands, wear a mask properly and do your bit, however much you hate it because if we don't then it'll be back to full-on lockdowns again.
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Of course but with schools open again and what not it probably isn't going to make THAT much difference. And I'm not saying schools shouldn't be open.
 
GazC_MFC said:
It’s a a like for like comparison as the parameters of testing are different.

That doesn't mean we should not be worried. We should be worried as hospital admissions are rising and that means these cases will see even more go hospital.

i would expect to see us operating at 50 deaths a day again with 4 weeks of this isn’t curbed
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People did say similar 4 weeks ago, and deaths aren't rising in line with cases as they did in March.
 
dooderooni said:
It was always going to happen once people started to think that the worst was over. All these little social distancing indescretions, those visits to other people's house etc have added to those who simply didn't bother anyway.
It's really simple, keep your distance, wash your hands, wear a mask properly and do your bit, however much you hate it because if we don't then it'll be back to full-on lockdowns again.
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It has been lapsing for ages now, supermarkets are back to virtually normal, I noticed even the match tonight, the teams were stood next to each other in the same tunnel chatting, when before they had to come out from different entrances....
 
To be honest it was always going to happen full stop. We are just going to have to learn to live with it. It isn't feasible to live in the way we have been. And as we don't have a vaccine the virus will come back.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
To be honest it was always going to happen full stop. We are just going to have to learn to live with it. It isn't feasible to live in the way we have been. And as we don't have a vaccine the virus will come back.
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That simply is not the case. What will determine whether the virus "will come back" is how many people in the UK are still susceptible. It really is that simple. If the numbers still susceptible is small then it won't resurge in any significant amount. If the numbers are large then it will.

That really is the key question and no one knows the answer. There are those who seem very fixed on the numbers estimated to have antibodies and who say we are not near 'herd immunity' and there are others who point out there are other forms of immunity and that we are close to 'herd immunity'.

I hate to break it to you about a vaccine but we may not find an effective vaccine. One has not been found for any other coronavirus and there are plenty of virus's for which a vaccine has never been found despite decades of research. "we can't go back to normal life without a vaccine" is a line trotted out by the media without much evidence to back it up.

Rather than the government coming up with some ridiculous "moonshot" nonsense they should be trying to answer key questions which would help us move forward quickly and much more cheaply. Testing large chunks of the population every day by some point next year is just bonkers. Why would we do that? What would it achieve?

Chris Whitty's stance does confuse me though. He started off by being seemingly happy with washing hands and saying restricting mass gatherings has no impact. Now he has flipped completely to saying we need a vaccine. What data is he working from which has made him change his mind? I'd love to see it. Or just like him to explain why he has had such a change of view.
 
We haven't reached herd immunity yet so when lockdown is lifted there will be more cases.
I hate to break it to you but I'm not pinning my hopes on there being a vaccine. Not sure why you got that idea.
 
We are now at the start of the second wave. It was likely because people naturally let their guard down when it looks like the virus is reducing, but 85% of the UK population still have not had the virus, so don't have immunity. The virus is highly contagious amongst adults.
 
Redwurzel said:
We are now at the start of the second wave. It was likely because people naturally let their guard down when it looks like the virus is reducing, but 85% of the UK population still have not had the virus, so don't have immunity. The virus is highly contagious amongst adults.
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Where do you get this 85% figure?
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
We haven't reached herd immunity yet so when lockdown is lifted there will be more cases.
I hate to break it to you but I'm not pinning my hopes on there being a vaccine. Not sure why you got that idea.
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Apologies, all I hear at the moment is people talking as if the only way forward is a vaccine when we may well not get an effective vaccine.

We may be much nearer her immunity than we first thought, but we don't know. We need further studies to figure out how widespread the t-cell immunity / cross reactivity is within the general population. There are enough in vivo studies demonstrating that other immune responses are at play so numbers of the population infected based on antibody response is certainly an underestimate, but we don't know by how much.

Check out the video smog chorus posted. Interesting points, some I find have merit, some I think are a bit spurious. Michael Levitt's comments (on Twitter) on Sweden's deaths with / deaths of I find particularly misleading.
 
T_A_D said:
Apologies, all I hear at the moment is people talking as if the only way forward is a vaccine when we may well not get an effective vaccine.

We may be much nearer her immunity than we first thought, but we don't know. We need further studies to figure out how widespread the t-cell immunity / cross reactivity is within the general population. There are enough in vivo studies demonstrating that other immune responses are at play so numbers of the population infected based on antibody response is certainly an underestimate, but we don't know by how much.

Check out the video smog chorus posted. Interesting points, some I find have merit, some I think are a bit spurious. Michael Levitt's comments (on Twitter) on Sweden's deaths with / deaths of I find particularly misleading.
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You can be infected again (if mutated) so to be honest herd immunity is pie in the sky
 
We are bound to find more cases as we test more but there's no doubt people are acting irresponsibly and spreading the virus.

Worryingly hospital admissions & deaths are now showing signs of increasing. Still at very low levels but on the turn.
 
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