LessoftheLip
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That'll raise a few spirits on here.
YouGov Poll - 33 Point lead!
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WeeGord
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I don't know the answer to that question - I DO know the answer to Blyth Valley though, because I was there on the doorstep knocking on hundreds of doors, unlike the majority of the BV Labour Left who decided not to canvass or speak to people on the doorstep because they'd spat their dummies out.
I also know that on the doors I knocked on I was getting pelters about Jeremy Corbyn, and even though it was based on media smear and misinformation it undoubtedly affected the opinions and voting intentions of a large number of traditional Labour voters.
So now can I ask you, why the deflection to Durham North West? You could have asked me anything about Blyth Valley of which I had first hand experience of the left in the CLP undermining the efforts to get a Labour MP returne.d.
LessoftheLip
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Whoooosh!!! You are very adept at totally missing the point of the post. Without power you can do nothing. Being the opposition is just what it says on the tin.
When an election is announced a manifesto will published.
The Tory government is desperate for Labour to make commitments now. It’s driving them mad.
Just like it’s doing the same to you. The long game is being played. Learn to enjoy it
When an election is announced a manifesto will published.
The Tory government is desperate for Labour to make commitments now. It’s driving them mad.
Just like it’s doing the same to you. The long game is being played. Learn to enjoy it
Its not like Labour don't say anything though. We get lots of messaging from the party indicating what they're planning. Do you actually expect the manifesto when it comes to be something dramatically different from what they've said its going to be?
Like specifically does anyone expect Reeves to suddenly say shes not sticking to her austerity style spending rules? Or that she'll increase taxes after years of saying she has no plans to? Do you think Streetings going to turn around and say it was a ruse all the times he talked about further privatising the NHS? Will Starmer reveal that actually he is going to reverse the tories anti protest laws and the anti trade union laws?
For anyone who does think these things, how do you get around the democratic crisis it throws us into? A government making a load of policies they have no mandate for?
WG, maybe you can say more about this and I remember you've talked about it before. But from what you're describing here it doesn't sound like 'sabotage' to me. People are within their rights to not provide voluntary labour leafleting for a political party if they choose not to.
The sabotage the right of the party engaged in during the last leadership has been well documented and is completely different. Senior paid employees of the party were deliberately hiding party funds away from the leaders office so they couldn't be used in target constituencies, they were leaking damaging stuff to newspapers, and they were deliberately not processing complaints to make them pile up and create an issue for the press to go in on.
They’ve spent so much time claiming this government have lost control of the economy and emphasising the fact that what they’re able to do when they achieve power will take longer.
Coupled with the proviso that can only really occur with economic growth. There’s plenty of leeway there during the initial period to use that as the reason for any delay.
I would hope there would be action on protest and unions, there will certainly be a lot of push for it. The NHS. The will have to tread very carefully. Personally wonder if Streeting will still be there, without him it would make those changes he’s pushing go away, but not all.
I think it is possible they will try and sell big structural NHS reforms in the manifesto.
The Tories actually stopped governing 4 PM’s ago, and people are desperate for change.
It will be difficult drag the country out of this quagmire.
(De Omnibus Dubitandum ) “Doubt everything” and also…trust no one
WeeGord
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So, in a tight Brexit leaning constituency like Blyth Valley, where many members of the Blyth Valley Labour Left decided to effectively down tools and not supports the election campaign because they disagreed with the potential Labour MP you don't consider that to be sabotage, or self-harm?
I'm afraid I disagree and it really sticks in the throat for me. I was out there walking the streets, knocking on doors and getting dogs abuse but I did it because the bigger picture was about returning a Labour MP. The Brexit effect was going to have a massive influence on the election and having 20 or 30 people sitting out an election campaign resulted in a Tory getting into Blyth Valley by a tiny margin.
So yes, as far as I'm concerned, the reason Blyth Valley became a Tory constituency is as a direct action of some huffy left members of the CLP who didn't get their way. It was an absolute act of self-harm and we've had to endure a nodding-dog liar of a Tory in Ian Levy who is a waste of oxygen.
The point I'm making stands - sabotage in its many forms has come from all sides of the Labour Party and whether we like it or not, the way to destroy these corrupt Tory b*stards is to unite, even when it means we do it with gritted teeth.
Laughing
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Are people really blaming some members of the labour party throwing cloggs at Corbyn for his humiliating defeat in 2019?
You really need to grow up a bit.
Don't vote for labour if you don't want to, vote for them if you do want to, but do it with eyes wide open.
In any event there isn't a realistic chance that the next election doesn't return a Labour government majority. Protest with your vote of you want to, Corbyn will be very proud of you all. He had a couple of goes at getting elected and was a weak, innefective leader of the Labour Party, one that gave us Brexit, a massive tory majority and the worst government to lead the country through a generational crisis, one that culled the weakest in society. Corbyn did that when he refused to stand down, couldn't control his party and had no opinion on what kind of EU exit he wanted.
The man is, in part, culpable for where we are today.
Grow up and stop bitching that the Labour Party doesn't represent you. So what this is a democracy find some other party to vote for and leave those that want to vote Labour do just that.
You really need to grow up a bit.
Don't vote for labour if you don't want to, vote for them if you do want to, but do it with eyes wide open.
In any event there isn't a realistic chance that the next election doesn't return a Labour government majority. Protest with your vote of you want to, Corbyn will be very proud of you all. He had a couple of goes at getting elected and was a weak, innefective leader of the Labour Party, one that gave us Brexit, a massive tory majority and the worst government to lead the country through a generational crisis, one that culled the weakest in society. Corbyn did that when he refused to stand down, couldn't control his party and had no opinion on what kind of EU exit he wanted.
The man is, in part, culpable for where we are today.
Grow up and stop bitching that the Labour Party doesn't represent you. So what this is a democracy find some other party to vote for and leave those that want to vote Labour do just that.
This is exactly the kind of lazy crap that isn't worth replying to.
And so is this.I agree!
Or it could be added to the 1000’s of threads hijacked by the same people over the last 2 years
Not doubting your own experiences WG. You seem like a decent sort when you aren't allowing LOTL to be a really bad influence on you and getting all p*ssy with me.
Funny how all this talk of party unity and broad churches only seems to apply now that the 'centrists' are in control of the party. If I had a quid for everyone who has lied to me and said that they voted for Corbyn's Labour twice, when they didn't, then I'd have about £537 and that would be enough for me to buy that really nice black and chrome Fender HH Jaguar that I really want.
HolgateCorner
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I think you will just have to reluctantly vote Tory then, it happens…
TC has pointed out that I've already said I'll probably end up holding my nose and voting for Labour when it comes down to it. I'll hate myself for doing it but I probably will do it. Never voted Tory in my life. I'd rather die. Voted Green and for a few fringe socialist parties in the past though. I even voted for Plaid Cymru once or twice when I was living in Wales. If you think I'm a Tory supporter then you're barking up the wrong tree, yoghurt boy.
HolgateCorner
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Hah hah you do have a sense of humour after all, I was starting to get worried you were taking this thread too seriously 
BoroMart
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If that so what you do, then let the new government begin with a clean slate to deliver rather than holding the electioneering process against them
I just don't have any confidence in Starmer, mate. Ditch him, and put someone like Zarah Sultana in charge of the party and then they'd have my full support. I'm the left. Starmer isn't.
Laughing
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See the thing is I thought starmer had purged the left of the labour party. If he hadn't then the labour party can change leader, surely? As I said this is a democracy so you should probably stop whining that the party don't represent you. They represent enough people to have a 20+ point poll lead.
Either back them or find someone else to back,somewhere you may feel more at home.
NYboro
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Not easy with FPTP.
Laughing
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No it isn't, I agree. However, for the moment that is the system we have and Labour can't change that from the opposition benches and the tories sure as **** ain't going to change it.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Nor are Labour. The two main parties have no intention of changing the system.