Teachers and dentists.. pay rise?!

FabioPorkpie said:
I’m no great fan of teachers generally, and often think they’ve got things a bit better than they realise. However, what the hell do I know? I’m not a teacher and I’m not friends with any. I do know that they don’t half get a bashing from the public at every opportunity and more often than not, it’s completely misguided, unfair and baseless. It’s all too easy to use them to distract from the real arguments.
Surely it shouldn’t be about which professions deserve a pay rise more than others? It’s not the fault of teachers and dentists if they are awarded pay rises and care and NHS staff aren’t. Surely any bashing should be directed to those awarding the pay rises, not those who happen to get one.
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The independent pay review bodies who recommended the pay rises?
 
When you say you have
Alvez_48 said:
Figured this would be the case regarding the pay increase which is fair enough, I haven't had one this year yet but generally do.

That said when you say every teacher you know has worked their socks off I say... I don't believe you. 😉

As can be seen by the umpteen responses on this thread, many of us have teacher mates and talk to those mates regularly.

Not to mention that head who came out and blew the whistle to then immediately be discredited as a nutcase.
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When you say you have teacher mates, I'm not sure I believe you ;-)
 
Alvez_48 said:
I'm sorry but what?!

So nurses (due to contract blah blah), junior drs (most likely to actually be on the frontline) don't get a pay rise.

Social workers, frontline NHS admin staff (receptionists etc) don't get ****.

But teachers (the majority of which have been absolutely chilling for 4 months), dentists (who haven't been able to provide any normal care) and GPs (who've been basically just doing phone appointments and get paid an absolute fortune already) get increases.

Am I crazy or is that utterly insane?!
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Got to agree with you Alvez.
Makes me wonder if these pay rises are due to some other negotiations and f all to do with Covid19?!
 
petrio said:
That's because you don't know the teachers that I do. They have honestly all worked hard, under very unusual conditions.
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Well I'll take your word for it.. see I wasn't fishing or trolling. Try not to jump down my neck next time, I've conceded your points where appropriate and I'm not here to fight you though I can accept it may feel personal as you're a teacher yourself.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
And it's fake. There is no new money for these rises.
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According to our ex-school business manager: "The Government are paying a teachers pay grant and teachers pension grant to cover part of the increase." So, some of it will be covered, but a lot will come from existing budgets (which are already stretched).
 
petrio said:
I'm sure you're fishing but I'll reply anyway. The majority of teachers haven't been 'absolutely chilling for the last four months'.
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They haven't exactly been hard at it have they? Short week, mainly at home, hardly front line - come on!
 
petrio said:
Strange. I'm a teacher and I worked my socks off, as did every other teacher I know.

Anyway, you've had the wool pulled over your eyes a little by recent statements. The pay increases were already planned before covid19. They have just been announced in a way that makes this seem like a reaction to recent events. It also isn't a carte blanche 3.1% award for all teachers, as far as I'm aware.
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What do you mean by working your socks off?
 
1finny said:
Yes indeed.
The ‘prioritisation’ does appear odd as this is supposed to be related to ‘Covid‘ response.
They could easily have done something for nurses but its politics.
This gets them some headlines then they will be a bit more generous to nurses next year when the pay review happens - more good news.

Should have bunged each nurse £500
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You're also forgetting the social workers, porters, receptionists etc.. basically the people who are paid the least are getting absolutely nothing.
 
hopesoboro said:
They haven't exactly been hard at it have they? Short week, mainly at home, hardly front line - come on!
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Depends what you class as front line. Also depends what you class as 'hard at it'. Not going to get into an argument about it though.
 
Why the them v them argument? All public service workers deserve a pay rise.

This announcement has nothing to do with covid as it was already in the pipe line with nurses having had a pay rise 2 years ago.

No new money has been allocated for it, so it will mean service cuts elsewhere. Frontline staff who have put their lives on the line during this crisis shouldn't get a pay rise for doing so, they should get a big fat tax free bonus and additional holidays to use.
 
Regardless of who deserves it, does anyone find it strange that we are likely to go through the worst recession we will likely face in our lives, and the government are throwing around pay rises?
 
JM14 said:
Regardless of who deserves it, does anyone find it strange that we are likely to go through the worst recession we will likely face in our lives, and the government are throwing around pay rises?
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They found the money tree
 
JM14 said:
Regardless of who deserves it, does anyone find it strange that we are likely to go through the worst recession we will likely face in our lives, and the government are throwing around pay rises?
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Not when you think that these had already been presented by government prior to the covid crisis. Even when re-announced, there was a caveat attached that this will be the last pay rise for the foreseeable future.
 
JM14 said:
Regardless of who deserves it, does anyone find it strange that we are likely to go through the worst recession we will likely face in our lives, and the government are throwing around pay rises?
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Oh yeah I can imagine how that would have gone down on here. Thanks for your work but seen as there is a recession coming your all getting 1% max. The board would have melted
 
Both family members and friends who are teachers have done nothing but work hard over the last few months and all have said they'd prefer to be back in a classroom than what they have had to do.

Clearly the teachers that some of you know are in the wrong profession and should be looking at a career change.
 
They are not interested in keeping NHS staff on decent wages as it will be easier to sell it off.
 
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