The situation in Sweden continues to improve quite dramatically. 86 people with Covid are now being cared for in ICUs. Daily admissions are in low single figures. It seems as though daily mortality is heading for single figures too.
Meanwhile, in Sweden...
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Alvez_48
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Glad to hear it @borolad259 the same is happening here. Our excess deaths are back to below 5 year average as long as this continues I'd say it leads to a fair assumption that we are being very fast and loose with our statistics. Unfortunately we will never know due to the lack of post mortems on covid victims.
Further improvements. Daily deaths currently running in single figures. ICU admissions averaging 2 per day and still falling. Number of daily confirmed cases is back at early to mid-march levels despite testing being increased about 10 fold.
Randy
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It's interesting because it echoes what that Hungarian doctor was saying... though he categorically claimed that coronavirus doesn't in itself kill people. Unless they perform autopsies on all of those thought to have died from coronavirus, they obviously can't back that claim up ... though it's pretty well known that it's an excessive immune response that seems to be doing the damage.
I've seen several papers that support similar findings. Is this not similar in lots of conditions, where perhaps the individual virus/bacteria is cited in one place/ but impacts the whole system. The body isnt compartmentalised, hence a finger infection can lead to multiple organ failure through sepsis. The organs failed- but you would still blame the primary infection site for the failure.
Good news that things are reducing, Europe seems to be slowly falling while other areas are now spreading at high rates. Good to see a lot more yellow and blues appearing.
Alvez_48
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What are they claiming I couldn't watch the vid
That they are puzzled by the lack of virus present when conducting autopsies in covid cases.
Alvez_48
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Oh interesting... also it's interesting that (and this was true a month or so ago) that scientists had not fulfilled Koch's postulates for covid 19.
Randy
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We can't say that. Anytime it gets mentioned on the web you are accused of wearing a tin foil hat.
Alvez_48
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We can't say that. Anytime it gets mentioned on the web you are accused of wearing a tin foil hat.
They may have fulfilled them at this point thus my qualification being as of last month.
Of the 5619 deaths in Sweden, just 600 have been aged below 70.
Sweden counts all deaths where there has been a positive test within 30 days, irrespective of whether Coronavirus was the cause of death. The vast majority of deaths have occured in the over 80s group, with the vast majority of them considered to be in "end of life" care.
Sweden counts all deaths where there has been a positive test within 30 days, irrespective of whether Coronavirus was the cause of death. The vast majority of deaths have occured in the over 80s group, with the vast majority of them considered to be in "end of life" care.
That 5600 seems to marry up with their 5600 excess deaths, so Covid is pretty much nailed on to accurately reflect that, they're accurately reporting, not over reporting.
This isn't like the UK which has snuck about 20,000 deaths under the radar, so at least Sweden has been truthful.
Just over 10% under 70 for Sweden, which sounds about right, about the same as the UK where under 65 it's about 10%.
They're both like a bad version of herd immunity, where there isn't enough herd immunity to actually do that job, they're just running out of at risk people to kill.
This isn't like the UK which has snuck about 20,000 deaths under the radar, so at least Sweden has been truthful.
Just over 10% under 70 for Sweden, which sounds about right, about the same as the UK where under 65 it's about 10%.
They're both like a bad version of herd immunity, where there isn't enough herd immunity to actually do that job, they're just running out of at risk people to kill.
I'd never heard of Koch's postulates before- thanks for mentioning it.
Randy
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Makes interesting reading.
They more or less have herd immunity, which is why the infection detection rate is falling rapidly despite hugely increased testing. 2 to 3 times as many people have T cell immunity as have antibody immunity. 20% have antibody immunity, which means that 60 to 80% of the population have immunity of one sort or another. Crucially, it is believed that T cell immunity lasts longer. However, as they initially said, their policy was created for the longer term, so they are maintaining their social distancing etc
The pandemic in Sweden has taken almost precisiely the course that Johan Giesecke predicted in that first Unherd interview. And other countries are now facing exactly what he predicted, that coming out of lockdown would be difficult.
Tommy_Dickfingers
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If that's the case borolad259, could the irony be that the shambles that has overseen the UK's handling of the crisis, in other words the late lockdown, large gatherings etc actually mean that if we see a 2nd wave we may actually fare better than the countries who went into lockdown a lot earlier ??
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Randy
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There is no second wave. Would have seen it happen by now.
America is still in first wave before that's thrown into the argumental fire. Fauci said so himself.
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