Just stop oil at the rugby today

Paintolerance said:
You say...one of them did get a beating. You then said that was good.

Save the planet. Unless you spoil my enjoyment whilst doing it.

And therein lies the problem. People like you.
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Nope. I'm glad that security did their job. So would you be if someone tried to interuot your day out, however you get your kicks.

Just stop oil aren't about saving the planet. They are just people looking to cause trouble. The Chelsea flower show thing is a prime example. Great environmental protest, destroying a garden! They have reached the point where they are upsetting too many people and certainly not helping an environmental cause.

Maybe you could expand on the "people like me" comment? Do you assume I'm a climate change denier or not doing my bit for the environment? Because if you are that is another thing you've got very very incorrect
 
HarryVegas said:
This will go down like a lead balloon but I'm with the protesters. Here we are at, what? 90 seconds to midnight? People trying their damnedest to get us to do something - anything - to stop the insane, suicidal overheating of our planet and all we do is complain of their hypocrisy and how dare they inconvenience us. We are doomed and the planet will frankly be a lot better off without us.
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So how does ruining a sporting event for 61000 people or, especially or, destroying a garden help? Disrupt oil tankers, or shell executives, or the politicians who deny climate change.. annoying everyone isn't helping their cause.
 
Paintolerance said:
You say...one of them did get a beating. You then said that was good.

Save the planet. Unless you spoil my enjoyment whilst doing it.

And therein lies the problem. People like you.
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How exactly is disrupting any sporting event or blocking roads going to save the planet?

They are being paid to cause disruption and are privileged enough not to suffer the consequences, they aren’t some hero’s saving the planet by doing any of this

The only thing they will achieve is to give the government more public support to ban these types of protest
 
bumface said:
You don't get it, do you? There's no point in having a protest if nobody notices it. You want maximum publicity to raise awareness for your cause. Glueing yourself to your own driveway or throwing powder around in your own house isn't going to achieve that.
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We’re all aware of climate change, really don’t think it needs bringing to anyones attention. Those of us caught up in their protests can also do absolutely nothing to change it

Why not protest to those who can change things instead of making the general public suffer?

Notice how the talk from the government in response to this is banning the protests and not stopping the use of oil? That’s what happens when you turn millions of people against the cause. They have completely lost their message
 
JM14 said:
We’re all aware of climate change, really don’t think it needs bringing to anyones attention. Those of us caught up in their protests can also do absolutely nothing to change it

Why not protest to those who can change things instead of making the general public suffer?
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'Suffer'. Seriously? Did Smalltown 'suffer' because a nasty man briefly ruined his enjoyment of a crappy eggball game?
 
bumface said:
'Suffer'. Seriously? Did Smalltown 'suffer' because a nasty man briefly ruined his enjoyment of a crappy eggball game?
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Thousands suffer when they decide to block roads forcing people to miss work/school/appointments
 
bumface said:
I think that you're confusing being mildly inconvenienced with suffering mate. I could tell you all about what real suffering is and it isn't being slightly late for an appointment.
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Clearly missing the point, finances are so tight for some people that missing a few hours work will be devastating and will cause huge amounts of suffering. It’s not just being slightly late for an appointment

Obviously the ones causing the disruption don’t have these type of worries, but many in the real world do and are suffering as a result of their protests
 
JM14 said:
Clearly missing the point, finances are so tight for some people that missing a few hours work will be devastating and will cause huge amounts of suffering. It’s not just being slightly late for an appointment

Obviously the ones causing the disruption don’t have these type of worries, but many in the real world do and are suffering as a result of their protests
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The Americans Nuked Japan killing thousands to save hundreds of thousands of lives if not millions.
Sometimes sacrifices have to be made.
And yes, I'm linking climate change with nuclear bombs
 
JM14 said:
I don’t dispute that, but what will stopping normal people getting to work do to change that?
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Its got your attention and the attention of the politicians, the people that matter.
Stood making a noise in Hyde Park or Linthorpe Road will do fk all.
It's working.
 
JM14 said:
Clearly missing the point, finances are so tight for some people that missing a few hours work will be devastating and will cause huge amounts of suffering. It’s not just being slightly late for an appointment

Obviously the ones causing the disruption don’t have these type of worries, but many in the real world do and are suffering as a result of their protests
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I'm not missing the point at all. Finances are tight for me too but I'm on the protestors side in the same way that I'm on the side of people striking for better pay and conditions at work. The narrative in the so called press is that all of these people are making us 'suffer' and that's a crock of sh*t.
 
zzzzz said:
Its got your attention and the attention of the politicians, the people that matter.
Stood making a noise in Hyde Park or Linthorpe Road will do fk all.
It's working.
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How’s it working? All the government have focused on is pushing new laws to ban protests which they will do with increasing public support in response to this
 
bumface said:
I'm not missing the point at all. Finances are tight for me too but I'm on the protestors side in the same way that I'm on the side of people striking for better pay and conditions at work. The narrative in the so called press is that all of these people are making us 'suffer' and that's a crock of sh*t.
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So finances are tight but you support protestors (who are being paid to do this) stopping people from getting to work who have serious money worries, and can also do absolutely nothing to stop climate change

Just imagine how devastating it must be to be completely skint yet having to miss work because of these protestors. It’s not something I could ever support regardless of their cause

If you lived or travelled through London and had to deal with this, you would realise how much they are actually making people suffer
 
JM14 said:
So finances are tight but you support protestors (who are being paid to do this) stopping people from getting to work who have serious money worries, and can also do absolutely nothing to stop climate change

Just imagine how devastating it must be to be completely skint yet having to miss work because of these protestors. It’s not something I could ever support regardless of their cause

If you lived or travelled through London and had to deal with this, you would realise how much they are actually making people suffer
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We're not going to agree on this. I've missed work and lost out financially because of rail strikes before. Didn't bother me and it didn't make me 'suffer'.
 
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bumface said:
We seem to be approaching this from different angles. I'm quite happy to take a financial hit every now and again if I think that it's for a good cause.

We're not going to agree on this. I've missed work and lost out financially because of rail strikes before. Didn't bother me and it didn't make me 'suffer'.
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Be thankful that you can take the financial hit, because many can’t at the moment and a few lost hours will be devastating.
Just because you wouldn’t suffer with missing work doesn’t mean that others won’t
 
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