Still booing the taking the knee

I don’t think it’s a simple as that, so many different facets to what is going on here.

Does booing taking the knee make you racist?
Why do people boo the gesture?
Do people have a right to boo taking the knee?
What effect does the booing have?

Why did we stop?
What did we do instead?
What are we going to do to address the issues?

Personally I do think people have the right to boo taking the knee, its unpleasant and makes us look like a bunch of racist morons but the gesture has now come to represent a lot of things for some people that were not necessarily for what it was intended.
There is an element of ‘them’ and ‘us’ that goes hand in hand with football tribalism, rivalries etc.. those who kneel and those who don’t taking away the sentiment behind the gesture there is a part of that involved.

Maybe a fan survey would be a good idea? An introduction to the gesture, where it came from and what it means.. Colin Kaepernick, why he did it and the effect that had on his career and why so many athletes and sports stars want to show solidarity with him.
Should we bring the gesture back? What does it mean to you? Is it too political? Has it lost it’s meaning?
I agree mate.
Been busy today and not fully engaged with the debate. Will give it a little time later.
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In 2016 Kaepernick kneeled during the U.S. national anthem this was on the back of several shootings of innocent people in America and the murderers getting off scott free.

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of colour”

He spoke with a fiend of his in the military who suggested that taking the knee was a sign of respect for fallen comrades.

He started the the end of the 2016 season, causing great controversy and was out of contract in the 2017.. I don’t think he was picked up by any club because of the surrounding controversy snd wasn’t picked up until 2020.. he still might be without a club.
Oppression. I kind of get that where he's coming from with that.
 
You can’t wish away the baggage a piece of symbolism might carry for someone else just because you say it ain’t so for you. The FA can’t wish away Irish history and tell James Maclean a poppy means what they want it to mean and not what it means to him. Paulo diCanio can’t wish away the entire twentieth century and pretend he’s not making a fascist gesture. And we can’t wish away the US origins and baggage of this gesture.
 
“The president also praised those at NFL games booing players, writing: “Great anger.”

So an American gesture, adopted by American athletes protesting about the murder of innocent Americans was taken up by athletes and sportspeople around the world in solidarity.. as too we’re the reasons yo boo it.

Makes it all the more embarrassing that we have fans booing athletes.. because Donald Trump didn’t like it.

It showed the NFL right up and I think the Premier League and FA wanted to avoid a similar fate.. now it’s just a small section of our fans showing us up.

All manner of reasons, but the main one is that we made a pigs ear out of that moment, we dipped out too quick and our reasoning wasn’t strong enough or as informative as it needed to be.
 
You can’t wish away the baggage a piece of symbolism might carry for someone else just because you say it ain’t so for you. The FA can’t wish away Irish history and tell James Maclean a poppy means what they want it to mean and not what it means to him. Paulo diCanio can’t wish away the entire twentieth century and pretend he’s not making a fascist gesture. And we can’t wish away the US origins and baggage of this gesture.
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You can’t wish away the baggage a piece of symbolism might carry for someone else.

So you may see taking the knee as an anti racist gesture and nothing more.

Someone else may see it as support for the left, the woke, marxism, communism, labour, corbyn, remainers, the opposite team.

Calling someone stupid and racist doesn’t necessarily mean that they will listen to your opposing view, agree with you are change their minds.. even if they do appear to be stupid or racist from your point of view.

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Out of curiosity what were the suggestions? Genuinely interested.
Sorry only just seen your post. Suggestions were varied, such as social media posts featuring players, Gibbo, Manager etc. An explanation for why players take the knee vua an announcement and/or messages on screens. Since then I gave further suggestions yesterday which were an event at the club hosted by players to those that have been identified as fans who have been witnessed booing at the taking of the knee, but this would need to be done sensitively in order to get folk there. Better education overall of anti racism. I have spoken to them about their EDI work and that it needs to improve. But I will say I get the impression that the club have fallen into the same trap as all other organisations of having to show they are doing something and only do the same stuff as everyone else and not thinking out of the box on how to do things, and also doing things because they don't want to be seen to do nothing and then getting called out as racist etc

There was probably other suggestions but I'm trying to fully recall and am failing to right now. But what I will say is that if you or anyone else has any suggestions then please share so they can be shared with the club to do better
 
You can’t wish away the baggage a piece of symbolism might carry for someone else.

So you may see taking the knee as an anti racist gesture and nothing more.

Someone else may see it as support for the left, the woke, marxism, communism, labour, corbyn, remainers, the opposite team.

Calling someone stupid and racist doesn’t necessarily mean that they will listen to your opposing view, agree with you are change their minds.. even if they do appear to be stupid or racist from your point of view.

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Either stupid or racist. It’s not even open to interpretation. Firstly, taking the knee first started during MLK protests. It’s steeped in anti-racism/equality. Secondly the players and league have been at pains to explain why they take the knee.

Anyone booing it because they think it’s something else is either deliberately ignoring all of that because they’re racist or they’re genuinely a bit thick.
 
Either stupid or racist. It’s not even open to interpretation. Firstly, taking the knee first started during MLK protests. It’s steeped in anti-racism/equality. Secondly the players and league have been at pains to explain why they take the knee.

Anyone booing it because they think it’s something else is either deliberately ignoring all of that because they’re racist or they’re genuinely a bit thick.
As someone pointed out a few posts up Trump is a fan of booing it. That should be enough for anyone to realise they're on the wrong side of it if they boo.

But then I imagine a significant proportion of those booing are the type who spout off on social media about how much they admire Trump.
 
Either stupid or racist. It’s not even open to interpretation. Firstly, taking the knee first started during MLK protests. It’s steeped in anti-racism/equality. Secondly the players and league have been at pains to explain why they take the knee.

Anyone booing it because they think it’s something else is either deliberately ignoring all of that because they’re racist or they’re genuinely a bit thick.

You are being too kind

It’s simply racist to boo taking the knee

And, yes many would boo if we took the knee but, over time it would die out as it did with some prem clubs.
 
Either stupid or racist.
Like I said.. not necessarily racist
It’s not even open to interpretation.
Unfortunately it is as with the term ‘woke’
Firstly, taking the knee first started during MLK protests. It’s steeped in anti-racism/equality.
As with the term ‘woke’
Secondly the players and league have been at pains to explain why they take the knee.
and they haven’t been successful.
Some people don’t want to listen.. they’re not interested. Hence why I think something more visual would be more effective.
Anyone booing it because they think it’s something else is either deliberately ignoring all of that because they’re racist or they’re genuinely a bit thick.
I’ve never met a clever racist so it’s hard to distinguish. It’s not too much of a stretch that we have a few thick chunts in our fanbase is it?
 
Like I said.. not necessarily racist
But most likely racist.

Unfortunately it is as with the term ‘woke’

Only if you’re stupid.

As with the term ‘woke’

Only if you’re stupid.

and they haven’t been successful.
Some people don’t want to listen.. they’re not interested. Hence why I think something more visual would be more effective.

Because the people booing are either stupid or racist but most likely both.

I’ve never met a clever racist so it’s hard to distinguish. It’s not too much of a stretch that we have a few thick chunts in our fanbase is it?

No hence, racist, stupid or both!
 
No hence, racist, stupid or both!
We’re in agreement yet you are still staying to make it sound like an argument.

We can deal with stupidity with education.. that doesn’t necessarily mean a cut an pasted explanation of racism up on a big screen or on the club website.

We can deal with racists too.. with education as most of not all racist view and positions come from a place of ignorance or misunderstanding.
 
But I will say I get the impression that the club have fallen into the same trap as all other organisations of having to show they are doing something and only do the same stuff as everyone else and not thinking out of the box on how to do things, and also doing things because they don't want to be seen to do nothing and then getting called out as racist etc
Doing the same stuff as other organisations and doing things just because they don’t want to been seen as doing nothing will most likely have the same result as a club that genuinely cares, understands and invests.

We haven’t been doing the same things as other clubs tho.
 
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